[Albion] Potter In or Out?

[Uh_huh_him]

Found this today.

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Interesting that we are doing even better against the other14 tracker than against [MENTION=3734]Giraffe[/MENTION]'s masterpiece.
Even more interesting is that their baseline is 13 home wins against the other 13 clubs for 39 points.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If you were composed at 10pm on Monday night or 5pm on Saturday then I'd respectfully suggest you are enjoying something a bit more mellow with your game than beer

I didn't watch the WBA game as I knew what was coming (and I've got the prediction point to prove it). I gave MOTD a swerve and watched a Matt Smith episode of Dr Who instead. I had a sneaky peek at MOTD2 last night and raised an eyebrow. Call me old fashioned but I don't expect to see two different players looking so sad before taking penalties. They both looked like they'd been made to withdraw ten shillings from their TSB account to buy a birthday present for an unloved aunt.

Anyway, luckily, it's only a game.

 

[Beanstalk]

It isn't his fault, recruitment team dropped a bollock in the summer.

Genuinely how? They identified two strikers who have gone on to be at the level we require (Nunez and Dia). The club (transfer committee of Bloom, Barber, Ashworth and Potter) decided they were not worth the money. If you have a problem with our summer recruitment then actually you have a problem with our spending and therefore the level of investment from Tony. FWIW isn't the job of the manager to use the players available to him? Get the best set of results with the tools he has got?

I think the question is pointless at the moment. No one is going anywhere until the summer, it's how the club operate. I reckon that GP and the club will amicably go their separate ways in the summer. Languishing in relegation battles is not good for your long term career prospects and we all know that Potter fancies himself at a higher level than ours. I think the club will be wary of the home record as full stadiums return.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I didn't watch the WBA game as I knew what was coming (and I've got the prediction point to prove it). I gave MOTD a swerve and watched a Matt Smith episode of Dr Who instead. I had a sneaky peek at MOTD2 last night and raised an eyebrow. Call me old fashioned but I don't expect to see two different players looking so sad before taking penalties. They both looked like they'd been made to withdraw ten shillings from their TSB account to buy a birthday present for an unloved aunt.

Anyway, luckily, it's only a game.

Maybe my problem is watching too much.

One of the chaps I sit with missed his first 90 mins of the season on Saturday and decided to take his dog for a walk on the downs instead. He was a dang site more calm than me for the rest of the weekend

 

[vagabond]

We are in a relegation scrap now. Those devoted to the cult of "in" must either see something in Potter and a relegation scrap that others don't, because he's never been in one before

So people who believe and back the manager are in a cult?

And Potters “never been in a relegation scrap before”...? how does that work given he was in one last season and kept us up?

 

[Guinness Boy]

So people who believe and back the manager are in a cult?

And Potters “never been in a relegation scrap before”...? how does that work given he was in one last season and kept us up?

Do you not read everything in the posts you quote or do you deliberately ignore the bits that don't fit your agenda. I clearly stated last season he had literally months to plan our escape. This season the games are coming thick and fast. It's totally different.

Unless you're arguing that a coach taking us to two successive relegation scraps is a good thing?

 

[vagabond]

Do you not read everything in the posts you quote or do you deliberately ignore the bits that don't fit your agenda. I clearly stated last season he had literally months to plan our escape. This season the games are coming thick and fast. It's totally different.

Unless you're arguing that a coach taking us to two successive relegation scraps is a good thing?

It’s not an ideal thing, no, but it shouldn’t entirely be a shock either. Surely we all expected there was a fair chance of being in a relegation scrap.

I’ve seen mentioned a few times here that GP has no experience for a relegation fight and we should change for this reason. My point is he has kept us up once already, so surely that is not the case.

 

[figgis]

My post was exactly ONE post in front of yours. I'm Potter in, and yet gave you in detail the reasons why. "The messiah"? Where do you get this drivel from? The only clown here is you because it's quite obvious you don't actually read what others are saying, you just write them off as "clowns" simply because they're not acting like stroppy toddlers now that results have gone against us.

Whatever TB decides is fine with me. And right now, there is no evidence to suggest he doesn't believe in the manager.

Oh dear Coco you have thrown your toys out of your collapsible car. Anyone who does not think he deserves the sack is making excuses and is a clown. Honk Honk!

 

[Swansman]

Do you not read everything in the posts you quote or do you deliberately ignore the bits that don't fit your agenda. I clearly stated last season he had literally months to plan our escape. This season the games are coming thick and fast. It's totally different.

Unless you're arguing that a coach taking us to two successive relegation scraps is a good thing?

Am I reading the schedule wrong or is it just one game per week for like two months now? Probably the least amount in GPs career since he was managing in the Swedish third tier some seven years ago. Five training days per week, pure luxuary.

 

[figgis]

So people who believe and back the manager are in a cult?

And Potters “never been in a relegation scrap before”...? how does that work given he was in one last season and kept us up?

You irritate me more than when I eat Prawns and don't have a Piriton and get an allergic reaction your softly softly approach to answering posts is creepy and weird.

 

[Swansman]

You irritate me more than when I eat Prawns and don't have a Piriton and get an allergic reaction your softly softly approach to answering posts is creepy and weird.

If he irritates you, he is doing something right.

 

[figgis]

If he irritates you, he is doing something right.

Ole give yourself a round of applause. You are great well done ��

 

[vagabond]

Poor old figgis. Can’t reason so can only resort to personal abuse.

You seem to be irritated by everyone here judging from your posting history old boy, it’s quite a trip. Just a nasty piece of work all round. Why come here?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Am I reading the schedule wrong or is it just one game per week for like two months now? Probably the least amount in GPs career since he was managing in the Swedish third tier some seven years ago. Five training days per week, pure luxuary.

One game a week is more than March, April and May last season which was my precise point.

 

[Swansman]

One game a week is more than March, April and May last season which was my precise point.

And you think GP spent three months planning some master tactic to beat Arsenal?

I think you, as plenty do, overemphasise the value of the coach. The PL winning side does not necessarily have the best coach. The second team does not necessarily have the second best coach. The third placed team does not necessarily have the third best coach.

Just like the relation between wages and league placement suggest, its really to 95% about the players. Those extra 5% are important but just 5% nonetheless. Put Pep in charge of WBA and they are not winning the league. Put GP in charge of Manchester City and they do not end up 15th or 16th. Brighton beat Arsenal and a couple of other teams thanks to the efforts and qualities of the players, with a bit of help/glue from the coach, not because of some masterful tactic developed over 3 months.

 

[Weststander]

And you think GP spent three months planning some master tactic to beat Arsenal?

I think you, as plenty do, overemphasise the value of the coach. The PL winning side does not necessarily have the best coach. The second team does not necessarily have the second best coach. The third placed team does not necessarily have the third best coach.

Just like the relation between wages and league placement suggest, its really to 95% about the players. Those extra 5% are important but just 5% nonetheless. Put Pep in charge of WBA and they are not winning the league. Put GP in charge of Manchester City and they do not end up 15th or 16th. Brighton beat Arsenal and a couple of other teams thanks to the efforts and qualities of the players, with a bit of help/glue from the coach, not because of some masterful tactic developed over 3 months.

Totally agree.

ManC and ManU have the most expensive squads on the planet (or ManU might be 3rd). The payroll cost vs final league position direct correlation is long proven. Obviously with outliers each season.

Villa and Everton have defied EPL financial sustainability, spending massively and hey presto they win more games than clubs that didn’t do that.

Fergie once remarked that player quality was far more important than the influence of the manager.

 

[albionalex]

And you think GP spent three months planning some master tactic to beat Arsenal?

I think you, as plenty do, overemphasise the value of the coach. The PL winning side does not necessarily have the best coach. The second team does not necessarily have the second best coach. The third placed team does not necessarily have the third best coach.

Just like the relation between wages and league placement suggest, its really to 95% about the players. Those extra 5% are important but just 5% nonetheless. Put Pep in charge of WBA and they are not winning the league. Put GP in charge of Manchester City and they do not end up 15th or 16th. Brighton beat Arsenal and a couple of other teams thanks to the efforts and qualities of the players, with a bit of help/glue from the coach, not because of some masterful tactic developed over 3 months.

Swanny is Potter out now.

 

[vagabond]

Swanny is Potter out now.

Yeah I was gonna say, Swanny you’re talking GP out of a job here...

 

[Swansman]

Swanny is Potter out now.

Hah.

Nah, just being realistic. Managers are not magicians, GP cant turn Maupay into Messi just like Sir Alex couldnt turn Ravel Morrison into Paul Scholes. And as for tactics of course it matters but only to certain extent, the grand plan to stop De Bruyne, Sterling and the other boys is easy in theory but very difficult to execute in reality. The best thing a manager can do with his 5% power is to help players empower themselves in different ways so that they are eager to learn and improve and then once in a while they will turn into really, really good players. But a team that is able to buy 15 of those really, really good players without all the hassle are always likely to beat the teams that can not afford easy, quick, expensive solutions.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

So if you take a proper look at the table we are only 3 points above Fulham due to fact we have won more game 5 in 26.

Everyone has been saying Fulham are doomed and we play such great Football that most of you clowns on here think Potter is the messiah.

This is the facts we are in serious danger of going down and the quicker the deluded fools realise Potter needs to be got rid of asap the better chance we have of staying up

No passion, no fight, no clue and no idea totaly clueless but you can carry on making excuses.

But that isn't what everyone's saying.

Most people are saying that Fulham are on a great run and look capable of staying up if they could just score some goals.

No-one is deluded (or fools for that matter) about the gravity of the situation.
It's just that 80% of people don't believe that Potter is the problem.

I can't think of an occasion when a new manager has been brought in to improve the goal count.
Sure bring in BFS or Pulis to shore up a defence, but who do you suggest to come in to improve our goal scoring?

Someone with a bit of passion, isn't going to inspire Trossard or Connolly to start banging them in, IMO.

Clearly you disagree.
So who do you suggest?
Can you provide an example of them being successful at improving a team's goal scoring within 12 games?