[Albion] Potter was a terrible coach at Swansea too

[Weststander]

Which kind of highlights GP's naivety/incompetence with player selection and formation.

Overall I'm Potter in. But I'd agree with you .... WTF do we keep seeing useless Jahanbaksh play?

 

[Machiavelli]

Hassenhuttl's record in his first (almost half) season was P24 W8 D6 L10 - decent for a struggling team, and only one less win than Potter in his complete first year.

That was enough to keep him in his job despite a terrible run at the beginning of last season (although they beat us, of course).

He turned things around within 12 months of joining.

... which also coincided with a certain player returning to fall fitness which has gone on to feature in the ensuing posts of this thread

 

[andy1980]

Newport... Often does well? They’re probably the most highly-rated giant killers in the pyramid over the last few seasons and they get extract every advantage from a shared code pitch. And this season they’ve been at the top of their league most of the campaign. The ****ing ball was bobbling like popcorn on a hot plate. We got thru a really tough tie despite trying to gift them the win and that’s the untold narrative of the night. There is some bottle in our squad.

But it still isn't a win. We were within seconds of a big confidence boosting win and yet again we mucked it up. We need to start winning games, whoever it is against.

 

[Wozza]

... which also coincided with a certain player returning to fall fitness which has gone on to feature in the ensuing posts of this thread

Ings? He was playing - and even scoring - during Southampton's awful run at the beginning of last season

Needed the rest of the team to get better - and they did.

 

[jessiejames]

The assumption by Potter fans that the only alternative to the current setup is Big Sam - or similar - is frankly pathetic.

A bit like criticising Tory policy and their supporters coming back with "Yeah, but what about Jeremy Corbyn!!!!!!1".

The reason I say Big Sam is because many of the Potter out people wanted him in to replace Potter. So it's not the assumption that he is the only alternative.

 

[Silverhatch]

But it still isn't a win. We were within seconds of a big confidence boosting win and yet again we mucked it up. We need to start winning games, whoever it is against.

We won the tie

 

[andy1980]

We won the tie

We didn't win the game.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If we go down thats it, we won't bounce back. I don't (or can't) have a problem with that but I very much doubt its in TB's little black book of financial plans for progress. I'm sure he's got a back up plan for when we do go down, it's probaby got 'sell' written in it somewhere.

I'm surprised you say that. I see no reason why we wouldn't bounce back. I also see no evidence that Tony is 'PL or flounce'. He didn't flounce when we choked at the championship playoff stage. He doesn't strike me as someone who has invested in our EPL status on a shit or bust basis.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Overall I'm Potter in. But I'd agree with you .... WTF do we keep seeing useless Jahanbaksh play?

It's funny....I have been a big Ali J fan but his performance against Newport was rancid. And I am now persuaded that his issue is he doesn't do what he's told. That simply won't do.

 

[Justice]

I'm surprised you say that. I see no reason why we wouldn't bounce back. I also see no evidence that Tony is 'PL or flounce'. He didn't flounce when we choked at the championship playoff stage. He doesn't strike me as someone who has invested in our EPL status on a shit or bust basis.

To be fair one of my first thoughts when CH was axed was shit we are going to do a Stoke, they also wanted the pretty football without investing in high quality players to pull it off. With our budget we can’t have it all like some seem to think.

 

[Weststander]

It's funny....I have been a big Ali J fan but his performance against Newport was rancid. And I am now persuaded that his issue is he doesn't do what he's told. That simply won't do.

Since he joined, I’ve wavered but a few great moments and decent matches gave me hope .... “there’s an EPL player in there somewhere”. Better than hopeless Locadia.

But taking stock, crikey, he’s been with us two and half years, he’s now 27, and so little return for £17m and reportedly £2.6m a year in wages.

Allied to Radio Sussex’s spot on him ignoring team orders, I think he’ll never cut it.

He comes across as great bloke, always positive, but he just doesn’t deliver.

 

[London Irish]

Feels like rehashing the same convo. It gets tiring after a while. I have a long term view of what Potter and Bloom are doing, that isn’t influenced by narrow sighted short term ism. Especially given GP kept us up last season playing brilliant football with a record points total and blooding young players.

- Hughton had taken us as far as he could
- tactically inflexible
- didn’t have faith in young players enough (you may agree/disagree, but that is clearly important to Bloom)
- played backs to the wall all out defence in nearly every game
- could barely get a shot on target away from home
- couldn’t get any points away from home
- getting demolished by Bournemouth and Cardiff at home was the final straw

I love CH but that’s the truth.

Such a sterile debate. Hughton could have been the worst manager we have had in the past 40 years and it wouldn't justify a single thing about our slide into the bottom 4 this season

 

[jessiejames]

We are 3 points above Fulham who have two games in hand whos form is very similar to ours at the moment.

So the chances are then Fulham will close the gap to 1 point behind us, keeping us out of the bottom 3.

 

[andy1980]

So the chances are then Fulham will close the gap to 1 point behind us, keeping us out of the bottom 3.

Only if the match us point for point .Its to close to feel comfortable thinking like that.

 

[SEWDONIM]

Feels like rehashing the same convo. It gets tiring after a while. I have a long term view of what Potter and Bloom are doing, that isn’t influenced by narrow sighted short term ism. Especially given GP kept us up last season playing brilliant football with a record points total and blooding young players.

- Hughton had taken us as far as he could
- tactically inflexible
- didn’t have faith in young players enough (you may agree/disagree, but that is clearly important to Bloom)
- played backs to the wall all out defence in nearly every game
- could barely get a shot on target away from home
- couldn’t get any points away from home
- getting demolished by Bournemouth and Cardiff at home was the final straw

I love CH but that’s the truth.

There's a couple of issues here.

Tactically inflexible. Yet, Potter's barely altered our tactics this season. We're a very predictable side.

Didn't have any faith in younsters - bar Aaron Connolly, youth haven't featured that much. Alzate barely gets a start, Gross has had more starts this season. White was on loan for most of the season - talking of Connolly, questions are constantly asked about whether he should be on loan or not. Nonetheless, he was forced to use Sanchez - who was also on loan to more senior teams in the past, and rumours are we're after that United number 3 keeper. I'd be surprised if we don't take up the opportunity to get experience in goal. And that's not a dig on Potter either, I would much rather have experience between the posts than most positions. However, there's not a lot of 'youth products' in our side.

There are certainly plenty of merit in your other points. The problem, however, is that the Hughton's teams had structure and a fair amount of discipline. The spectacle is absolutely dire, horrific and I agreed with his sacking. My biggest problem with Potter is that, despite what we are persistently told - he is not that tactically adaptable, teams are changed fairly regularly and defensive vulnerabilities continue to persist.

There is a clear long term ambition on what needs to be the "Brighton way", the problem is, this ought to be evolution and not revolution. The pretty football is not yielding results, so we need to give something and i'm not suggesting a return to back-to-walls defending, but there certainly needs to be something changing in order to yield some results that can mean we move forward.

Potter hasn't shown that, which is why I'm a sceptic of him. I don't think he has the experience to adapt.

 

[vagabond]

Such a sterile debate. Hughton could have been the worst manager we have had in the past 40 years and it wouldn't justify a single thing about our slide into the bottom 4 this season

Irish. Shocking.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Since he joined, I’ve wavered but a few great moments and decent matches gave me hope .... “there’s an EPL player in there somewhere”. Better than hopeless Locadia.

But taking stock, crikey, he’s been with us two and half years, he’s now 27, and so little return for £17m and reportedly £2.6m a year in wages.

Allied to Radio Sussex’s spot on him ignoring team orders, I think he’ll never cut it.

He comes across as great bloke, always positive, but he just doesn’t deliver.

To be fair to Locadia that description could apply to him too......and plenty of players in League One.
But showing glimpses is nowhere near enough to cut it in the Prem.
AJ is way short and in many ways has been lucky to keep the faith of many on here for as long as he has.
If even HWT has lost belief , he really is doomed.

 

[Albion Dan]

“Potter woz a bad coach at Swansea too”

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[emoji23] You’ve actually gone and done it again? That weird quoting with spelling/grammatical mistakes as an insult when there were never any in the original text. So so bizarre. :lollol:

The more posts I see of yours the more I conclude you are at school or barely out of it.

 

[Albion Dan]

Why when you’re paraphrasing somebody else do you feel the need to dumb down the language?

I noticed that Harry Wilson’s tackle was doing it the other day too. I assumed he was pissed but looks like it’s actually a Potter in gang ‘thing’. Hilarious. [emoji23]

 

[jessiejames]

Only if the match us point for point .Its to close to feel comfortable thinking like that.

I don't feel comfortable thinking this way, I was just saying that as you said Fulham are on the same type of fun as us, so the chances are that they will draw the 2 games in hand. Knowing our luck though they will probably get 2 wins now.
It will be interesting to see how the Fulham fans react if they are still below us once they have played the same amount of games, they will see that as a missed opportunity.

What wE need is a couple of lucky wins.