[Albion] Hopefully the end of Connolly

[Swansman]

Shame on every single moderator who has allowed this thread title to remain.

Do the decent thing FFS.

I’ll add my name to the pile who think it’s ridiculous that this thread title has still not been edited by a moderator.

Poor form.

Seconded, thirded or whatever.

Adding my name as well.

What are the mods even doing if not to get rid of disgraceful thread titles like that?

Word. [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] come end this shit please, the guy is 20 and more likely than not reading NSC.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Word. [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] come end this shit please, the guy is 20 and more likely than not reading NSC.

If he really reads social media it won't be NSC where most posters are aged 40-70, it'll be Twitter and Insta which have looked just as brutal. And, if it's allowed there, why shouldn't it be here?

 

[The Wizard]

If he really reads social media it won't be NSC where most posters are aged 40-70, it'll be Twitter and Insta which have looked just as brutal. And, if it's allowed there, why shouldn't it be here?

I agree people should be allowed to vent and have opinions but there’s a difference IMO between saying ‘this player played shit’ which is fair and a thread titled ‘Hopefully the end of Connolly’ maybe I’m just over sensitive but I think that’s exceptionally shitty, it’s not like we are talking about a **** like Leon Best who didn’t give a shit, the lad is trying, but much like all our attacking players he’s devoid of all confidence.

Hopefully in 3/4 years time we can bump this thread when Connolly bags 20 in a season for us.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I agree people should be allowed to vent and have opinions but there’s a difference IMO between saying ‘this player played shit’ which is fair and a thread titled ‘Hopefully the end of Connolly’ maybe I’m just over sensitive but I think that’s exceptionally shitty, it’s not like we are talking about a **** like Leon Best who didn’t give a shit, the lad is trying, but much like all our attacking players he’s devoid of all confidence.

Hopefully in 3/4 years time we can bump this thread when Connolly bags 20 in a season for us.

Personally I think it makes [MENTION=1517]junior[/MENTION] look like a back to front. Half the thread doesn't make sense if you airbrush out the hyperbole of the title.

 

[Swansman]

If he really reads social media it won't be NSC where most posters are aged 40-70, it'll be Twitter and Insta which have looked just as brutal. And, if it's allowed there, why shouldn't it be here?

So a young Brighton player grown up in the social media generation wouldnt read the largest Brighton forum? I doubt it.

As for allowed its your call obviously though the "if its allowed on Twitter it needs to be allowed here" argument is both shit and false.

 

[rogersix]

This is the first time I have opened this thread (and I have only read a handful of posts immediately above) because my initial reaction was of the 'good grief' variety.

It would be unfair of me to not suggest that this thread is a contender for most ****ish thread of the decade given my previous comments on other such threads.

 

[Guinness Boy]

So a young Brighton player grown up in the social media generation wouldnt read the largest Brighton forum? I doubt it.

As for allowed its your call obviously though the "if its allowed on Twitter it needs to be allowed here" argument is both shit and false.

As I said to Wiz, there's only one person who looks bad here and it certainly isn't Connolly.

I didn't have you in the cancel culture camp.

 

[Swansman]

As I said to Wiz, there's only one person who looks bad here and it certainly isn't Connolly.

I didn't have you in the cancel culture camp.

Well Junior had a lot of thumbs to his post so "the only person" is a bit unfair..

Im definitely not in the cancel culture camp, but Im also quite rooted in the "worried about young mens mental health" camp. This is a 20 year old that closed his Instagram account because people were mean to him... and dyed his hair to look cool or something - insecurity deluxe. Random twitterers saying shit is unavoidable and to some extent understandable, but here is a forum of """""supporters""""" where it must hurt a lot to see bunch of old idiots saying they never want to see him again. Its not great to see as a 30 year old, bad to see for a 25 year old and probably devastating for a 20 year old.

As I said though, I accept its your decision but I think its a bad one.

 

[Taybha]

I sincerely hope Connolly rams this thread right down your throat in the coming games .

 

[ewe2]

I sincerely hope Connolly rams this thread right down your throat in the coming games .

Absolutely.......this !

 

[Badger Boy]

I sincerely hope Connolly rams this thread right down your throat in the coming games .

Oh please, we all know the procedure. When he has a good moment in a game, it'll be bounced as if everyone was right about him. But after games where he's been running around a bit and doing nothing on the ball, it'll be nowhere to be seen.

NSC has lastgameitis in a huge way - you're only as good as the last game. Connolly is only 20, we should get him out on loan. Very few 20 year old strikers play regularly at this level and it's arrogance, stupidity or foolishness to keep playing him sporadically. He won't develop like this, he needs regular game time.

 

[Swansman]

NSC has lastgameitis in a huge way - you're only as good as the last game. Connolly is only 20, we should get him out on loan. Very few 20 year old strikers play regularly at this level and it's arrogance, stupidity or foolishness to keep playing him sporadically. He won't develop like this, he needs regular game time.

Interesting theory... or not really tbh.

There is a few players who played sporadically over their first few seasons and developed into pretty good players.

 

[Badger Boy]

Interesting theory... or not really tbh.

There is a few players who played sporadically over their first few seasons and developed into pretty good players.

Who are you thinking of? I don't think there's a correct way to develop a player. Look at Jamie Vardy, what an extraordinary journey for him. Lewis Dunk played sporadically for a while but he really progressed when he was settled into the team.

There's no right or wrong way to develop a player and I have absolutely no expertise here at all. But I think Harry Kane is the gold standard of striker and he was sent out on many unsuccessful loan spells before developing into the player he has become. Connolly might be an early developer, or he might not. He got a chance with us very early on but I hope that early success doesn't prove to be his downfall into thinking he doesn't need to play outside the Premier League to really improve his overall game and give him the best possible chance of longer term success.

 

[The Fits]

I'd imagine it's much, much harder to be a youngster coming through in a team that is struggling.
Clearly with Alzate- he's been dropped because he was caught out a bit against (very good midfields) of Everton and Man U. And now I'm sure Potter is thinking 'can he deal with this, the intensity and pressure of playing in must win games, in a team that is struggling'?
Foden is obviously an extreme example, and Pep has actually been criticised about not being brave enough with him, but he's had a great opportunity to really bed in at his own pace. Coming on when games are won, playing against poorer teams.
We currently can't do that with our youngsters. So my feeling would be get them out on loan and get grizzlies in to take their place.
Clearly there is an argument for Molumby, Mac and Alzate, even, to be loaned out. Propper and Gross won't let us down. But vitally, regular playing time, and gaining some confidence could be absolutely vital in the youngsters development. And the same can definitely be said for Connolly. Would AJ honestly contribute less up front?
I guess Ashworth et al have a plan.

 

[Swansman]

Who are you thinking of? I don't think there's a correct way to develop a player. Look at Jamie Vardy, what an extraordinary journey for him. Lewis Dunk played sporadically for a while but he really progressed when he was settled into the team.

There's no right or wrong way to develop a player and I have absolutely no expertise here at all. But I think Harry Kane is the gold standard of striker and he was sent out on many unsuccessful loan spells before developing into the player he has become. Connolly might be an early developer, or he might not. He got a chance with us very early on but I hope that early success doesn't prove to be his downfall into thinking he doesn't need to play outside the Premier League to really improve his overall game and give him the best possible chance of longer term success.

Well, lets take Cristiano Ronaldo as one example. Mainly a substitute in Sporting back in 02/03 and then also mainly a substitute in Manchester United in 03/04. Or Zlatan in his first season in Malmö and in his first season in Ajax. Or Thierry Henry in Monaco, only playing sporadically for two seasons before becoming a starter. Alan Shearer while playing for Saints. Calvert-Lewin in Everton. Iniesta. Paul Scholes. Drogba.

Id say the majority of all players go through one, two or even three seasons where they are often subs, sometimes starting, sometimes getting zero minutes. Some are like Harry Kane, going on loan for a season or two and then very rapidly becoming a first time regular. Some are like Michael Owen, coming straight from the academy to the starting eleven. But most, or at least a lot, of players go through a few rough seasons where they only play sporadically.

It doesnt mean that they are not developing. Every game is good experience, every training session as well - dont even need to be very good ones, just being 20 years old and training every day against established PL players like Lewis Dunk is going to improve you.

Im not saying a loan would be wrong or unhealthy, just saying that he is probably developing all the time, but that it might not be noticable in games yet. A lot of the players ive mentioned had some dire first/second seasons before suddenly getting over some kind of threshold to start performing well on a regular basis. May or may not happen to Connolly but its impossible to say it wont happen or that it wont happen without a loan.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Who are you thinking of? I don't think there's a correct way to develop a player. Look at Jamie Vardy, what an extraordinary journey for him. Lewis Dunk played sporadically for a while but he really progressed when he was settled into the team.

There's no right or wrong way to develop a player and I have absolutely no expertise here at all. But I think Harry Kane is the gold standard of striker and he was sent out on many unsuccessful loan spells before developing into the player he has become. Connolly might be an early developer, or he might not. He got a chance with us very early on but I hope that early success doesn't prove to be his downfall into thinking he doesn't need to play outside the Premier League to really improve his overall game and give him the best possible chance of longer term success.

That maybe the case, although I watch Connolly and it screams “loan spell time” to me.
Not because he’s shit, but because it would give him the chance to broaden and improve his game. In a stronger team (in a lower league) he would get more of the ball for one thing. Hopefully it would get him away from being the limited chaser he’s becoming and more of a lethal marksman. Less Shane Long, more Robbie Keane.
It’ll be interesting to see where he ends up. It’s not impossible it’ll be the Prem, but League One or worse is equally possible.
I fear he will sign for Brentford for a couple of million and then you add a zero a year later.

 

[The Fits]

Well, lets take Cristiano Ronaldo as one example. Mainly a substitute in Sporting back in 02/03 and then also mainly a substitute in Manchester United in 03/04. Or Zlatan in his first season in Malmö and in his first season in Ajax. Or Thierry Henry in Monaco, only playing sporadically for two seasons before becoming a starter. Alan Shearer while playing for Saints. Calvert-Lewin in Everton. Iniesta. Paul Scholes. Drogba.

Id say the majority of all players go through one, two or even three seasons where they are often subs, sometimes starting, sometimes getting zero minutes. Some are like Harry Kane, going on loan for a season or two and then very rapidly becoming a first time regular. Some are like Michael Owen, coming straight from the academy to the starting eleven. But most, or at least a lot, of players go through a few rough seasons where they only play sporadically.

It doesnt mean that they are not developing. Every game is good experience, every training session as well - dont even need to be very good ones, just being 20 years old and training every day against established PL players like Lewis Dunk is going to improve you.

Im not saying a loan would be wrong or unhealthy, just saying that he is probably developing all the time, but that it might not be noticable in games yet. A lot of the players ive mentioned had some dire first/second seasons before suddenly getting over some kind of threshold to start performing well on a regular basis. May or may not happen to Connolly but its impossible to say it wont happen or that it wont happen without a loan.

Yes and no. All those players share two things:

1) They were outstanding youngsters, destined to be world class.
2) They played for teams who were strong so they could be bled in slowly.

We need players who can contribute right now.

 

[Swansman]

Yes and no. All those players share two things:

1) They were outstanding youngsters, destined to be world class.
2) They played for teams who were strong so they could be bled in slowly.

We need players who can contribute right now.

1. No one is destined to be world class, its something you work hard to become. Sure, some of these were seen as big talents, others werent. And I took great players to make my example clear, its basically the same thing on all levels. This thing about developing through sporadic game time does not only apply to world class players... it was the same thing for... I dunno who to pick. Darius Vassell. Inaki Williams. Gianvito Plasmati. It happens on all levels.

2. Yes its easier for big clubs to give talents a chance but its also easier to become a big club if you give talents a chance. It takes a certain type of manager to take those chances. LvG did it in Ajax (Seedorf, Davids, Kluivert etc.), in Barca (Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta etc.), in Bayern (Badstuber, Alaba, Muller), in United (Rashford) but he also did it in a shiet team like AZ and won the league with them. Surprisingly often it pays off just as well to play talented players as buying some worn out "reliable" 33 year.

That said, not disagreeing that the club needs a high quality striker/winger but if the option to Connolly is to sign... Shane Long, I would rather just stick with Aaron.

 

[GT49er]

If he really reads social media it won't be NSC where most posters are aged 40-70, it'll be Twitter and Insta which have looked just as brutal. And, if it's allowed there, why shouldn't it be here?

If you review that remark dispassionately, you will realise that there are a lot of things that are allowed 'there' that are not allowed on here. You may well find some of them in the bear pit.........

 

[Guinness Boy]

If you review that remark dispassionately, you will realise that there are a lot of things that are allowed 'there' that are not allowed on here. You may well find some of them in the bear pit.........

Is the Bear Pit not on NSC?