Just how awful is this government? June 2020 edition

[Pretty pink fairy]

Why we are not ALL more f*ck1ng furious about this, I don't know. The people of Britain have been put to sleep.

https://gal-dem.com/keir-starmer-is-a-wet-wipe-lbc-caller/
regards
DF

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Here is an article [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION] posted on another thread, read it please!


2 Not allowed!
For all those who want to slag off the UK (i.e. using the border shutdown and linking to Brexit), you should be aware that the UK has the most advanced genome sequencing capabilities in the world.

The reason why we are able to identify the new strain is because we have the skills to do it. Most of the rest of Europe either can’t or doesn’t do it.

Post from an article on the Telegraph


Emmanuel Macron’s ban on lorries entering France wins the prize for the most pointless political gesture since the onset of this pandemic. The mutant strain B.1.1.7 is already all over Europe.

British scientists spotted it early and have tracked it in real-time because the UK has carried out almost as much genome sequencing of Covid-19 as the rest of the world combined. Harvard epidemiologist William Hanage says the UK has the most advanced genomic monitoring regime on the planet.

Denmark is one of the few other states in Europe that also does extensive and rapid sequencing. Lo and behold, the Danes have found the same mutation. Many countries do little or no genomic sequencing at all.

It stretches credulity to imagine that a variant picked up in samples as far back as September is not already rampant in Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, and indeed France. It had months to run when borders were wide open, long before the second lockdowns.

The spectacle of Britain cut off from the world as a leper-state in viral quarantine is unlikely to last more than a few days. The selective discounting of sterling and UK financial assets is the fleeting reaction of skittish markets trying to find their way through the fog. Sterling is undervalued against the euro.

Christian Drosten, Angela’s Merkel’s pandemic guru, says the mutation is almost certainly spreading in Germany already and he is sceptical about the data interpretation by Prof Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial. “I am not particularly worried,” he told Deutschlandfunk, taking a gentle swipe at headline bio-hysteria.

Prof Drosten is careful not to violate scientific etiquette but he came as close as you can to rebuking the British government - and by implication the modellers on the Nervtag committee - for pushing a conclusion beyond the known evidence.

He questions the pseudo-quantification behind claims that the new strain is 70pc more transmissible. “There are too many unknown strains to say something like that,” he told Covid reporter Kai Kupferschmidt.

A similar flap occurred over an earlier Spanish mutation that appeared to be more contagious at first but was in reality spreading faster because people had let down their guard and were traveling more. The problem was behaviour, not mutation.

Prof Andreas Bergthaler from the Austrian Academy of Sciences is equally sceptical, playing down what he called “insane alarmism” and insisting that it is still too early to know whether the new strain fundamentally changes the pathogen.

There are certainly grounds for caution. Eight mutations in the coding of the spike protein are unusual. Two are potentially dangerous: one that makes it easier for the virus to bind to the ACE2 receptor; the other causing a loss of amino acids that play a crucial role in immune defences.

A related strain in South Africa seems to hit the young as well as the old. A twist of this kind - more akin to the flu pandemic of 1918 - would be a truly disturbing development.

Whether or not the new strain proves to be a false alarm, it is Europe that is likely to face greater trouble dealing with the pandemic over the next three months. Media attention will swing back soon to the EU vaccination fiasco.

The UK has already give the first vaccine jab to 500,000 people and should be able to immunise care homes, health staff, and the most vulnerable relatively quickly with the German BioNTech mRNA vaccine - which the Germans themselves do not yet have, and will not have at adequate scale for a long time, thanks to the errors and complacency of the European Commission’s vaccine alliance.

Assuming that the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is approved over coming days, the UK will then be able step up the pace to several million jabs a week in an immunisation crescendo that leads the world and effectively breaks the back of the epidemic by late February.

Once the first 10m people deemed most at risk have been covered - and once the next echelon has already had a first shot - there is no longer a compelling justification for shutting down the economy or suspending ancient freedoms.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock should not be talking about “months” of further lockdowns. That implies a zero eradication strategy and pushes the precautionary principle into the realms of lunacy.

The demonstration effect of the UK's vaccination Blitzkrieg is likely to cause political heartburn for European leaders, including Mr Macron. The EU will not start its jabs until next week. The Commission’s vaccine alliance did not get around to ordering the BioNTech doses until mid-November. This has pushed the EU down the delivery list.

Even then, Brussels ordered too few doses - much to the fury of German health minister Jens Spahn - and mostly spread its bets on a range of vaccines that will not be available until the middle of the year or until late 2021. The next three months are going to be a very awkward time for Europe’s political class, and it will be even more awkward if the mutation is as bad as feared.

The irony is that the Oxford vaccine alone will be ready soon enough and in sufficient volumes to avert the worst for Europe this spring. It is Britain that is going to rescue the Continent. This week's headlines will soon give way to a very different tale.

Wasting your time I'm afraid, some people have spent months/years of their lives (mainly online) predicting catastrophe at every turn just because they can't accept democratic events that don't go the way they wanted. So no surprise they have gleefully jumped on Covid then deliberately conflated it's fallout with Brexit as it gives them their disaster fix. All rather embarrassing but there you go.

 

[nicko31]

Here is an article [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION] posted on another thread, read it please!


2 Not allowed!
For all those who want to slag off the UK (i.e. using the border shutdown and linking to Brexit), you should be aware that the UK has the most advanced genome sequencing capabilities in the world.

The reason why we are able to identify the new strain is because we have the skills to do it. Most of the rest of Europe either can’t or doesn’t do it.

Post from an article on the Telegraph


Emmanuel Macron’s ban on lorries entering France wins the prize for the most pointless political gesture since the onset of this pandemic. The mutant strain B.1.1.7 is already all over Europe.

British scientists spotted it early and have tracked it in real-time because the UK has carried out almost as much genome sequencing of Covid-19 as the rest of the world combined. Harvard epidemiologist William Hanage says the UK has the most advanced genomic monitoring regime on the planet.

Denmark is one of the few other states in Europe that also does extensive and rapid sequencing. Lo and behold, the Danes have found the same mutation. Many countries do little or no genomic sequencing at all.

It stretches credulity to imagine that a variant picked up in samples as far back as September is not already rampant in Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, and indeed France. It had months to run when borders were wide open, long before the second lockdowns.

The spectacle of Britain cut off from the world as a leper-state in viral quarantine is unlikely to last more than a few days. The selective discounting of sterling and UK financial assets is the fleeting reaction of skittish markets trying to find their way through the fog. Sterling is undervalued against the euro.

Christian Drosten, Angela’s Merkel’s pandemic guru, says the mutation is almost certainly spreading in Germany already and he is sceptical about the data interpretation by Prof Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial. “I am not particularly worried,” he told Deutschlandfunk, taking a gentle swipe at headline bio-hysteria.

Prof Drosten is careful not to violate scientific etiquette but he came as close as you can to rebuking the British government - and by implication the modellers on the Nervtag committee - for pushing a conclusion beyond the known evidence.

He questions the pseudo-quantification behind claims that the new strain is 70pc more transmissible. “There are too many unknown strains to say something like that,” he told Covid reporter Kai Kupferschmidt.

A similar flap occurred over an earlier Spanish mutation that appeared to be more contagious at first but was in reality spreading faster because people had let down their guard and were traveling more. The problem was behaviour, not mutation.

Prof Andreas Bergthaler from the Austrian Academy of Sciences is equally sceptical, playing down what he called “insane alarmism” and insisting that it is still too early to know whether the new strain fundamentally changes the pathogen.

There are certainly grounds for caution. Eight mutations in the coding of the spike protein are unusual. Two are potentially dangerous: one that makes it easier for the virus to bind to the ACE2 receptor; the other causing a loss of amino acids that play a crucial role in immune defences.

A related strain in South Africa seems to hit the young as well as the old. A twist of this kind - more akin to the flu pandemic of 1918 - would be a truly disturbing development.

Whether or not the new strain proves to be a false alarm, it is Europe that is likely to face greater trouble dealing with the pandemic over the next three months. Media attention will swing back soon to the EU vaccination fiasco.

The UK has already give the first vaccine jab to 500,000 people and should be able to immunise care homes, health staff, and the most vulnerable relatively quickly with the German BioNTech mRNA vaccine - which the Germans themselves do not yet have, and will not have at adequate scale for a long time, thanks to the errors and complacency of the European Commission’s vaccine alliance.

Assuming that the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is approved over coming days, the UK will then be able step up the pace to several million jabs a week in an immunisation crescendo that leads the world and effectively breaks the back of the epidemic by late February.

Once the first 10m people deemed most at risk have been covered - and once the next echelon has already had a first shot - there is no longer a compelling justification for shutting down the economy or suspending ancient freedoms.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock should not be talking about “months” of further lockdowns. That implies a zero eradication strategy and pushes the precautionary principle into the realms of lunacy.

The demonstration effect of the UK's vaccination Blitzkrieg is likely to cause political heartburn for European leaders, including Mr Macron. The EU will not start its jabs until next week. The Commission’s vaccine alliance did not get around to ordering the BioNTech doses until mid-November. This has pushed the EU down the delivery list.

Even then, Brussels ordered too few doses - much to the fury of German health minister Jens Spahn - and mostly spread its bets on a range of vaccines that will not be available until the middle of the year or until late 2021. The next three months are going to be a very awkward time for Europe’s political class, and it will be even more awkward if the mutation is as bad as feared.

The irony is that the Oxford vaccine alone will be ready soon enough and in sufficient volumes to avert the worst for Europe this spring. It is Britain that is going to rescue the Continent. This week's headlines will soon give way to a very different tale.

Talk about contracting out...

Chicken posts for Larus who posts for the Barclay Brothers

Class

 

[Chicken Run]

Talk about contracting out...

Chicken posts for Larus who posts for the Barclay Brothers

Class

Who do you post for because I’d love to know your opinion on that article, come on let’s have it ?

 

[Chicken Run]

Talk about contracting out...

Chicken posts for Larus who posts for the Barclay Brothers

Class

Who do you post for because I’d love to know your opinion on that article, come on let’s have it ?

Oh well I guess you’ll be the second person this evening that doesn’t have any views on that article [emoji848]

 

[Hampster Gull]

Tell me about it but I think the public are just worn down and exhausted, our media should be all over this.

Where is BBC Panaroma on this? Answer....the Beeb are scared of the government. We saw the same on Cambridge Analytica

We are talking billions of quid. Companies with no trading history getting awarded contracts for tens of millions and then not delivering

Meanwhile our NHS Heroes who we were clapping not so long ago and saved the Blond Buffon's friggin life get f**k all

And yet they have the blind support of several on here, its like bumbling boris is their first love

 

[Chicken Run]

And yet they have the blind support of several on here, its like bumbling boris is their first love

Music is my first love.....

And remember that several you talk of are one person [emoji6]

 

[nicko31]

Who do you post for because I’d love to know your opinion on that article, come on let’s have it ?

Johnson needs to use his fine diplomatic stills to find a way out. An apology to Macron for talking gunboats last week might be a good start to find a way through.

He needs to remind himself he is PM now, not a columnist for a right wing rag

 

[Hampster Gull]

Music is my first love.....

And remember that several you talk of are one person [emoji6]

JCFG, PPF, starting to make sense

 

[nicko31]

And yet they have the blind support of several on here, its like bumbling boris is their first love

The problem is they're effectively made themselves prisoners of Brexit, pure tribalism

They know the governments actions on CV tendering has been appalling, but the problem is they start calling out the vote leave government on cronyism they may be forced to face other untruths. That isn't easy when you are so deep down the rabbit hole..

 

[Chicken Run]

JCFG, PPF, starting to make sense

You forgot PotG , silly boy [emoji6]

 

[Chicken Run]

Johnson needs to use his fine diplomatic stills to find a way out. An apology to Macron for talking gunboats last week might be a good start to find a way through.

He needs to remind himself he is PM now, not a columnist for a right wing rag

You need to stop acting like a Politician swerving my question. As for gunboats, can you provide a link to where it suggests’Gun Boats’ [emoji2357]

 

[Randy McNob]

And yet they have the blind support of several on here, its like bumbling boris is their first love

They are the well groomed gaslit. They proudly trumpet the Murdoch message and either knowlingly (or unknowlingly) support policies that take their social wealth and pass on to the wealthy in return for a few crumbs from the table and being patronised with their propaganda

 

[Hampster Gull]

They are the well groomed gaslit. They proudly trumpet the Murdoch message and either knowlingly (or unknowlingly) support policies that take their social wealth and pass on to the wealthy in return for a few crumbs from the table and being patronised with their propaganda

Wise words. And they see it as a sport, sticking two fingers up, Trump like

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

They are the well groomed gaslit. They proudly trumpet the Murdoch message and either knowlingly (or unknowlingly) support policies that take their social wealth and pass on to the wealthy in return for a few crumbs from the table and being patronised with their propaganda

Can you hear me Major Tom ?
Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

Wasting your time I'm afraid, some people have spent months/years of their lives (mainly online) predicting catastrophe at every turn just because they can't accept democratic events that don't go the way they wanted. So no surprise they have gleefully jumped on Covid then deliberately conflated it's fallout with Brexit as it gives them their disaster fix. All rather embarrassing but there you go.

Your comment is complete and utter partisan drivel and plumbs depths that not even you have reached before. Do you actually think before making such foul, insulting accusations? Get a grip on yourself.

 

[Chicken Run]

Your comment is complete and utter partisan drivel.

Oh the irony[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

[A1X]

The problem is they're effectively made themselves prisoners of Brexit, pure tribalism

It's the footballisation of politics. My "team" can do no wrong, whereas your "team" are awful in every single way.

 

[Lever]

Oh the irony[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Do you have an explanation for that empty comment?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It's the footballisation of politics. My "team" can do no wrong, whereas your "team" are awful in every single way.

Oh the irony ... see excellent doomscrolling/surfing post on the Brexit thread.

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