We’ve left the EU. Everyone has accepted that. What you need accept is that Brexit will go on for years. And it will not be good for the U.K.
Accept that or don’t accept that. It will still happen regardless of your ignorance.
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Just how awful is this government? June 2020 edition
- Thread starter Machiavelli
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We’ve left the EU. Everyone has accepted that. What you need accept is that Brexit will go on for years. And it will not be good for the U.K.
Accept that or don’t accept that. It will still happen regardless of your ignorance.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
What is this ignorance of which you speak? Pray enlighten me.
You seem to think the singular act of leaving the EU was Brexit done. I mean that’s the most recent example of your ignorance. Unfortunately I have limited time on this planet so I’ll have to leave it at the one example.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
nicko31
Well-known member
Think you've given up PotG, you're nothing more than a poundshop Ppf these days.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Cheers Nicko, Merry Christmas.
Pretty pink fairy
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Pretty pink fairy
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The only organisations doing food parcels before 2000 were churches and some charities. They weren't called foodbanks then.
CNN have nailed it.
Boris Johnson has led Britain into an abyss of overlapping crises at the worst possible time.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/21/uk/boris-johnson-covid-analysis-intl-gbr/index.html
Boris Johnson has led Britain into an abyss of overlapping crises at the worst possible time.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/21/uk/boris-johnson-covid-analysis-intl-gbr/index.html
People who think Brexit was an event and not a process never really understood Brexit at all.
Yes - I particularly noticed the following observation in that article...
'Johnson was already facing a torrid 10 days. Critics had accused the Prime Minister of trying to blag his way to the end of the year by choosing to take Brexit talks down to the wire. And many were furious with him for promising that Brits would be able to get together and celebrate Christmas. Now, the UK is getting a preview of exactly how bad things could be in two weeks' time, if Brexit really does cause severe disruption to imports.'
nicko31
Well-known member
Waste, Negligence and Cronyism: Inside Britain’s Pandemic Spending
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/17/world/europe/britain-covid-contracts.html
Whoever you vote for, its our money, they are pissing it up the wall and soon we'll all be asked to pay for it
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/17/world/europe/britain-covid-contracts.html
Whoever you vote for, its our money, they are pissing it up the wall and soon we'll all be asked to pay for it
Motogull
Todd Warrior
- Sep 16, 2005
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Well, the messy haired bungle**** has blagged his way through everything else.
Why we are not ALL more f*ck1ng furious about this, I don't know. The people of Britain have been put to sleep.
Motogull
Todd Warrior
- Sep 16, 2005
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Not on any news channels or newspapers. Quite why the press here aren't bother is a mystery.
I for one am 'furious' about this. In fact I am furious about almost everything this bungling, mendacious government has caused to happen over the past year. I am also very angry at the 'Pretorian Guard' of acolytes who continue to try and 'gaslight' us over what has been going on.
nicko31
Well-known member
Tell me about it but I think the public are just worn down and exhausted, our media should be all over this.
Where is BBC Panaroma on this? Answer....the Beeb are scared of the government. We saw the same on Cambridge Analytica
We are talking billions of quid. Companies with no trading history getting awarded contracts for tens of millions and then not delivering
Meanwhile our NHS Heroes who we were clapping not so long ago and saved the Blond Buffon's friggin life get f**k all
Here is an article [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION] posted on another thread, read it please!
2 Not allowed!
For all those who want to slag off the UK (i.e. using the border shutdown and linking to Brexit), you should be aware that the UK has the most advanced genome sequencing capabilities in the world.
The reason why we are able to identify the new strain is because we have the skills to do it. Most of the rest of Europe either can’t or doesn’t do it.
Post from an article on the Telegraph
Emmanuel Macron’s ban on lorries entering France wins the prize for the most pointless political gesture since the onset of this pandemic. The mutant strain B.1.1.7 is already all over Europe.
British scientists spotted it early and have tracked it in real-time because the UK has carried out almost as much genome sequencing of Covid-19 as the rest of the world combined. Harvard epidemiologist William Hanage says the UK has the most advanced genomic monitoring regime on the planet.
Denmark is one of the few other states in Europe that also does extensive and rapid sequencing. Lo and behold, the Danes have found the same mutation. Many countries do little or no genomic sequencing at all.
It stretches credulity to imagine that a variant picked up in samples as far back as September is not already rampant in Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, and indeed France. It had months to run when borders were wide open, long before the second lockdowns.
The spectacle of Britain cut off from the world as a leper-state in viral quarantine is unlikely to last more than a few days. The selective discounting of sterling and UK financial assets is the fleeting reaction of skittish markets trying to find their way through the fog. Sterling is undervalued against the euro.
Christian Drosten, Angela’s Merkel’s pandemic guru, says the mutation is almost certainly spreading in Germany already and he is sceptical about the data interpretation by Prof Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial. “I am not particularly worried,” he told Deutschlandfunk, taking a gentle swipe at headline bio-hysteria.
Prof Drosten is careful not to violate scientific etiquette but he came as close as you can to rebuking the British government - and by implication the modellers on the Nervtag committee - for pushing a conclusion beyond the known evidence.
He questions the pseudo-quantification behind claims that the new strain is 70pc more transmissible. “There are too many unknown strains to say something like that,” he told Covid reporter Kai Kupferschmidt.
A similar flap occurred over an earlier Spanish mutation that appeared to be more contagious at first but was in reality spreading faster because people had let down their guard and were traveling more. The problem was behaviour, not mutation.
Prof Andreas Bergthaler from the Austrian Academy of Sciences is equally sceptical, playing down what he called “insane alarmism” and insisting that it is still too early to know whether the new strain fundamentally changes the pathogen.
There are certainly grounds for caution. Eight mutations in the coding of the spike protein are unusual. Two are potentially dangerous: one that makes it easier for the virus to bind to the ACE2 receptor; the other causing a loss of amino acids that play a crucial role in immune defences.
A related strain in South Africa seems to hit the young as well as the old. A twist of this kind - more akin to the flu pandemic of 1918 - would be a truly disturbing development.
Whether or not the new strain proves to be a false alarm, it is Europe that is likely to face greater trouble dealing with the pandemic over the next three months. Media attention will swing back soon to the EU vaccination fiasco.
The UK has already give the first vaccine jab to 500,000 people and should be able to immunise care homes, health staff, and the most vulnerable relatively quickly with the German BioNTech mRNA vaccine - which the Germans themselves do not yet have, and will not have at adequate scale for a long time, thanks to the errors and complacency of the European Commission’s vaccine alliance.
Assuming that the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is approved over coming days, the UK will then be able step up the pace to several million jabs a week in an immunisation crescendo that leads the world and effectively breaks the back of the epidemic by late February.
Once the first 10m people deemed most at risk have been covered - and once the next echelon has already had a first shot - there is no longer a compelling justification for shutting down the economy or suspending ancient freedoms.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock should not be talking about “months” of further lockdowns. That implies a zero eradication strategy and pushes the precautionary principle into the realms of lunacy.
The demonstration effect of the UK's vaccination Blitzkrieg is likely to cause political heartburn for European leaders, including Mr Macron. The EU will not start its jabs until next week. The Commission’s vaccine alliance did not get around to ordering the BioNTech doses until mid-November. This has pushed the EU down the delivery list.
Even then, Brussels ordered too few doses - much to the fury of German health minister Jens Spahn - and mostly spread its bets on a range of vaccines that will not be available until the middle of the year or until late 2021. The next three months are going to be a very awkward time for Europe’s political class, and it will be even more awkward if the mutation is as bad as feared.
The irony is that the Oxford vaccine alone will be ready soon enough and in sufficient volumes to avert the worst for Europe this spring. It is Britain that is going to rescue the Continent. This week's headlines will soon give way to a very different tale.