Just how awful is this government? June 2020 edition

[GrizzlingGammon]

Have a guess x

Do I get an answer, or can I put this story on the bullshit pile?

 

[Chicken Run]

Do I get an answer, or can I put this story on the bullshit pile?

The only bullshit was your pathetic guess, Primary age teacher!

 

[Randy McNob]

not sure if its really morally better for the insulated public sector to have a rise when so many lost jobs? rhetorical of course, battle lines are drawn.

don't forget a pay freeze is actually a pay cut as wages won't grow in line with inflation, people get annual increases to keep up with the cost of living. Also we have the issue of national self harm from 1st Jan where the pound will tank and cost of everyday essentials will increase.

People effectively arguing for other people to have less and be poorer, from the same people who argue that Brexit will be this magical utopia of prosperity

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

don't forget a pay freeze is actually a pay cut as wages won't grow in line with inflation, people get annual increases to keep up with the cost of living. Also we have the issue of national self harm from 1st Jan where the pound will tank and cost of everyday essentials will increase.

People effectively arguing for other people to have less and be poorer, from the same people who argue that Brexit will be this magical utopia of prosperity

Who says it wont ? Have you borrowed Watford bloke's useless piece of tat
Regards
DF

 

[beorhthelm]

don't forget a pay freeze is actually a pay cut as wages won't grow in line with inflation, people get annual increases to keep up with the cost of living.

just checking, if there is deflation (not unlikely) you'll be advocating pay cuts to keep with cost of living?

 

[A1X]

People effectively arguing for other people to have less and be poorer, from the same people who argue that Brexit will be this magical utopia of prosperity

The key word there is "other". They're more than happy for that "other" to be subjected to all manner of shit, but you dare try to impinge on ME...

 

[Chicken Run]

The key word there is "other". They're more than happy for that "other" to be subjected to all manner of shit, but you dare try to impinge on ME...

Sounds exactly like public workers at the moment whilst the rest of us suffer.

 

[Randy McNob]

Sounds exactly like public workers at the moment whilst the rest of us suffer.

how does a public sector pay freeze improve your situation?

 

[Chicken Run]

how does a public sector pay freeze improve your situation?

It doesn’t and I’m not sure why you’d ask such a question?

 

[CHAPPERS]

I wasn't going to post this because the nasty man said I made him sick but this is quite interesting on the topic at hand

https://www.ft.com/content/57e2f210-cdd8-4ef8-99a0-280cbda3dcda

Public sector workers have always earned more on average than private sector employees and the Office for National Statistics calculates that their hourly wages were still around 9 per cent higher in 2019-20, even if this was down from a lead of 18 per cent in 2011-12. But Mr Zaranko said that after adjusting for characteristics such as age, education and experience — although not for differences in the generosity of pensions — the difference was now “essentially zero”.

But even if a pay freeze would not hinder recruitment, it would raise issues over fairness.

Because a large majority of teachers are women, it could exacerbate the existing gender pay gap. And because state employees make up a higher proportion of the workforce in the poorest parts of the UK — Wales and North East England in particular — a freeze could slow the economic recovery in areas that are supposed to be at the heart of the government’s levelling up agenda.

Some economists argue that fairness aside, the drive to save money would be misguided at a time when policymakers should be doing everything possible to support household spending.


“There is a danger already that fiscal policy will be retrenching too early next year . . . This doesn’t help on that front,” said Torsten Bell, director of the Resolution Foundation think-tank.

“There’s no rush to fill any fiscal gap. [The chancellor] should do everything he can to support the recovery: teachers and civil servants are consumers too,” said Julian Jessop, an independent economist and fellow at the rightwing Institute of Economic Affairs.

 

[vegster]

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Yes, completely agree, I'm about 2 years away from my next pay rise. That will be when the government's Minimum Wage catches up with me. Currently I'm on £9.15 an hour so I'm 43 p away from my second pay rise in what will be six years! [emoji4]

 

[Machiavelli]

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Edit , I’m angry at people much better off than millions of private sector workers, whining that they didn’t get their annual pay rise whilst the rest of us are suffering!

The public sector haven't had a pay rise for over a decade now. Instead, they've had pay cuts each and every year during that period. That's not what's happened in the private sector during this time.

 

[Randy McNob]

just checking, if there is deflation (not unlikely) you'll be advocating pay cuts to keep with cost of living?

deflation reduces the cost of living? I doubt landlords will reduce their rents and energy companies reduce their bills in that situation. But to answer your question no, I would not advocate any situation where people should be paid less, we should always strive to better ourselves.

I'm struggling to understand why people would argue how we should all be worse off (unless they're a slave to the right wing propaganda machine)

 

[Machiavelli]

just checking, if there is deflation (not unlikely) you'll be advocating pay cuts to keep with cost of living?

Just checking, if there is inflation (highly likely), will you be advocating pay rises to keep with the cost of living?

 

[beorhthelm]

deflation reduces the cost of living?

yes, thats what deflation is, reduction in prices. so if cost of living goes down and by your argument of wage needed to track that, wages should go down. as you seem to admit though, your argument only goes one way.

 

[beorhthelm]

Just checking, if there is inflation (highly likely), will you be advocating pay rises to keep with the cost of living?

no. i dont believe wages should slavishly follow inflation, as it is itself inflationary and lowers incentives to people.

 

[A1X]

Sounds exactly like public workers at the moment whilst the rest of us suffer.

I've not seen any public sector workers demanding private sector workers receive a pay cut. Can you point me in the direction of some I've missed?

 

[A1X]

yes, thats what deflation is, reduction in prices. so if cost of living goes down and by your argument of wage needed to track that, wages should go down. as you seem to admit though, your argument only goes one way.

While this is technically correct, isn't it the case that in the scenario where we see deflation on any great scale likely to be see the haemorrhaging of jobs?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Absolutely nothing comes as a surprise any more.

UK government running ‘Orwellian’ unit to circumvent transparency laws and block freedom of information requests

The British government is operating a secretive internal unit to block requests for information by the public under transparency laws, it has been revealed. The FOI Clearing House, an "Orwellian" operation within Michael Gove's Cabinet Office, shares personal information about journalists and researchers and has been accused of "blacklisting" people making freedom of information requests.

Transparency campaigners and data protection experts said the unit was certainly an attempt to circumvent the transparency protections in the Freedom of Information Act, and possibly even unlawful. The government is now facing a legal bid from openDemocracy and the law firm Leigh Day to reveal full details about how it operates.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/freedom-of-information-foi-clearing-house-b1760830.html

 

[Aaron31]

Nobody replies to that racist ****wit anymore. Don’t indulge him. The mods won’t ban him, so he’s best treated as if he doesn’t exist.

Probably best it seems. I hope he enjoys his restricted life and mindset.