[Travel] Not even Stonehenge is safe from the powerful car.

[Stat Brother]

where do you think autonomous vehicles or hyperloops would go?

Monorail?

 

[worthingseagull123]

Stonehenge A303 tunnel plan approved by transport secretary

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-54919205


A controversial plan to dig a £2.4bn road tunnel near Stonehenge has been approved by Transport Secretary Grant Shapps.

The A303, a popular route for motorists travelling to and from the south west, runs within a few hundred metres of the world heritage site.

The plan to build a two-mile (3.2km) tunnel out of sight of the monument was approved despite objections.

Campaigners said it was a "complete violation" and "international scandal".

Great news.

No longer will I get stuck on the A303.

We now need to crack on with dual carriage bypasses for Arundel, Worthing, Lancing and from the east or Lewes to Folkestone.

I’d also like to the A24 upgraded from Horsham to the M25.

 

[dazzer6666]

The plan includes a flyover at Countess Roundabout in Amesbury, alongside the Blick Mead settlement, and a bypass for Winterbourne Stoke, as well as the two-mile tunnel.

...about 35 years too late for me [emoji3525]

 

[maltaseagull]

This.

The tunnel has been planned by various governments over many years now, but faced huge opposition. Ironically from some heritage experts who are angry that the tunnel itself might harm potential archaeological sites.

This isn't being done purely because of love of the car, the National Trust and Heritage England have demanded this tunnel for decades.

How deep do you have to put a tunnel to avoid disturbing sites from 4000 years ago?

Whatever it is, just dig deeper than that. Job done.

I watch time team a lot and they don't go down that far to find pre historic stuff.

 

[Weststander]

How deep do you have to put a tunnel to avoid disturbing sites from 4000 years ago?

Whatever it is, just dig deeper than that. Job done.

I watch time team a lot and they don't go down that far to find pre historic stuff.

Genuine question - is this a cut and cover tunnel (potentially damaging sites), or bored?

Whilst the anti tunnel societies nearby seem to be anti any change whatsoever.

 

[Billy the Fish]

If there's so much archaeological matter buried in the tunnel path why haven't they explored it already? They've had years to sort out out before the tunnel was approved

 

[maltaseagull]

Genuine question - is this a cut and cover tunnel (potentially damaging sites), or bored?

Whilst the anti tunnel societies nearby seem to be anti any change whatsoever.

Sorry but I haven't a clue!

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

where do you think autonomous vehicles or hyperloops would go?

Autonomous vehicles will use roads for now but they will likely reduce car ownership in city's.
Hyperloop can go above ground,below ground,or high up but I'm not suggesting these things replace the Wiltshire road network I'm just saying all of these things together will drop road traffic and the noise and pollution levels dramatically in that area as people's habits change naturally.
in the space of ten years they could destroy the archaeological history of Stonehenge,have cars and lorries thundering under it doing more damage and then people stop using that road anyway because they have no need for a car,have no need to travel into work,get their shopping delivered by drone and go on holiday in the hyperloop.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Autonomous vehicles will use roads for now but they will likely reduce car ownership in city's.
Hyperloop can go above ground,below ground,or high up but I'm not suggesting these things replace the Wiltshire road network I'm just saying all of these things together will drop road traffic and the noise and pollution levels dramatically in that area as people's habits change naturally.
in the space of ten years they could destroy the archaeological history of Stonehenge,have cars and lorries thundering under it doing more damage and then people stop using that road anyway because they have no need for a car,have no need to travel into work,get their shopping delivered by drone and go on holiday in the hyperloop.

The concrete foundation will not be damaged

 

[Weststander]

If there's so much archaeological matter buried in the tunnel path why haven't they explored it already? They've had years to sort out out before the tunnel was approved

They have and will do again in great detail.

The nimbies want anything found to stay in situ and prevent the tunnel ever happening.

 

[zefarelly]

Great news.

No longer will I get stuck on the A303.

We now need to crack on with dual carriage bypasses for Arundel, Worthing, Lancing and from the east or Lewes to Folkestone.

I’d also like to the A24 upgraded from Horsham to the M25.

Agreed. Considerately done, ie don't scrimp, proper slip roads, tunnels and bridges, not a cheap lash up say like the original Arundel bypass. and with ever more efficient vehicles, its the way forward. Reinstating some railway lines and proper public transport links would be nice as well.

 

[beorhthelm]

Autonomous vehicles will use roads for now but they will likely reduce car ownership in city's.
Hyperloop can go above ground,below ground,or high up but I'm not suggesting these things replace the Wiltshire road network I'm just saying all of these things together will drop road traffic and the noise and pollution levels dramatically in that area as people's habits change naturally.
in the space of ten years they could destroy the archaeological history of Stonehenge,have cars and lorries thundering under it doing more damage and then people stop using that road anyway because they have no need for a car,have no need to travel into work,get their shopping delivered by drone and go on holiday in the hyperloop.

yeah, and we'll have flying cars and nuclear fusion. you're saying dont build this, build that. then object to that when we get there.

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

yeah, and we'll have flying cars and nuclear fusion. you're saying dont build this, build that. then object to that when we get there.[/QUOT

At this point I am only objecting to the tunnel under Stonehenge .
Flying cars I have no issue with in fact I'm quite disappointed they are not commonplace as was predicted in sci-fi movies of the 8os.
We actually already have nuclear fusion but I agree this is going to be a big issue this decade and some interesting proposals have been put forward such as building lots of smaller nuclear plants rather than 1 or 2 massive ones which does sound sensible but I'm leaning more towards hydrogen at this point, but I'm keeping an open mind.
But as say at this point I'm just objecting to a tunnel under stonehenge

 

[Tokyohands]

I found the Old Sarum site just down the road way more interesting. I could really imagine the old cramped hilltop town around the castle and cathedral there before Salisbury was built. Worth stopping by to check out the ruins if you're in the area.

 

[A1X]

Always amuses me me that roughly about the same time Stone Henge was being built the Minoans were building Knossos with running water and an early form of air conditioning.

Not clever enough to avoid building it all on a volcano though, were they?

 

[zefarelly]

Not clever enough to avoid building it all on a volcano though, were they?

Free heating though

The tunnel doesn't exactly go under Stonehenge, its just nearby . . . no nearer than the existing road. I really don't get all the fuss.

 

[BeHereNow]

Always amuses me me that roughly about the same time Stone Henge was being built the Minoans were building Knossos with running water and an early form of air conditioning.

Does it? The people who built Stonehenge would’ve had to have an extremely good knowledge of mathematics and astronomy.

Also, they must’ve been quite technologically advanced to be able to move the stones, some of them supposedly coming from Wales.

This may have happened many, many years before the Minoans did their thing.

Edit: As for the tunnel, I think people are worried that it might disturb ancient burial sites. Builders aren’t the best judges of archeological sites. I think an ancient road near Crowhurst was dug up not long ago with little to no archeological work being done. It could’ve helped with knowing the location of the battle of 1066, as some seem to think it was in Crowhurst, not Battle.

 

[Garage_Doors]

Hopefully cyclists will be banned from using it.