Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Kinky Gerbil]

France have reduced isolation to 7 days from 14

 

[Albion Dan]

I too am on that same page.

However you and others have given the impression, whether intentionally or not, that there is no need to do anything much to protect the vulnerable. Protection needs to be done properly - no repeat of locking people in care homes to die, or having to arrange food deliveries etc via neighbours (like we did here). If that wasn't your intended narrative and you think we need to redirect our spend away from closing school and furloughing half the nation to providing real protection for the vulnerable then I apologise.

My suspicion is the virus has mutated to a less lethal form, but I could be wrong. Let's see how mortality numbers increase over the next few weeks as the second wave kicks in. If we start seeing tens or hudreds of people dying again it may not be quite as easy....

I have never said we should protect the vulnerable. I think we should be doubling down on that. If we’d managed to protect care homes properly I think we’d have a very different view (and level of societal fear) of this disease and how we come out of it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I have never said we should not protect the vulnerable. I think we should be doubling down on that. If we’d managed to protect care homes properly I think we’d have a very different view (and level of societal fear) of this disease and how we come out of it.

Missing word (I presume) added for you. Well, that's pleasing. That part of the narrative tends to be dropped out of correspondance and all we hear is 'we need to get back to normal'. The caveat ALWAYS has to be stated because contingency is absolutely critical.Without it the conversation soon degenerates to 'we have to get back to normal'.....'but what about the vulnerable?'.....'but we have to get back to normal'.....which seems to be exactly where the nation's conversation has ended up.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Please do correct me on this - I would love to be wrong. But I have been assuming there will be a significantly longer lag between an initial rise in positive tests and rise in deaths this time, for two main reasons:

1. Most transmission initially (last few weeks) has been between younger people as they mix amongst themselves, but in time, they will pass it on to older people they are in subsequently contact with (in household and families) and a higher % of future infections will be in older generations. Not so much hopefully, as we know more than we did back then about not mixing with potentially vulnerable people. But still, the more people are walking around infectious, the more difficult it will be for more vulnerable people to avoid it completely.

2. To be tested in March/April you already needed to be pretty sick. So if you were going to die after testing positive it might easily be within a week or two of testing. But now we are testing in a way that picks up early infections, so (as well as a lot more being asymptomatic or mild) if you are going to get seriously ill and die after testing, it will take a lot longer to get there.

I have been reckoning we'll see any consequences of the current rise at least a month after it started, so mid to late September.
So, while I am still very optimistic it won't be anywhere near as bad as it was in April, it's still too early to know just how it's going to pan out.

Very good points that I would agree with fully.

Certainly there is still hope that there have been mutations making it less deadly and with the improvements in knowledge of how to treat patients, but the simple fact of the matter is that it's too early to tell. So the only sensible way ahead is to proceed slowly, while constantly monitoring as best we can given the tools that we've got.

 

[The Wizard]

My partner has had a strange rash(A symptom that can happen)and a slightly high temperature to the touch, impossible to get a test been trying every hour since yesterday morning, can’t get a postal test, drive through test or walk in test. Absolutely ridiculous. Apparently there is 350k testing capacity yet around 175k tests are being processed daily.

Leaves her in the position of needing to go to work but can’t get a test? We are having to consider paying £125 to get tested privately.

 

[The Wizard]

My partner has had a strange rash(A symptom that can happen)and a slightly high temperature to the touch, impossible to get a test been trying every hour since yesterday morning, can’t get a postal test, drive through test or walk in test. Absolutely ridiculous. Apparently there is 350k testing capacity yet around 175k tests are being processed daily.

Leaves her in the position of needing to go to work but can’t get a test? We are having to consider paying £125 to get tested privately.

Still no test of any kind available, her temperature has subsided a little now but still doesn’t feel comfortable going to work just on the off chance, as she works with a couple of older people. Why were we told for months the testing capacity was huge and there for a second spike of infections to be controlled when it clearly isn’t?

 

[vegster]

Still no test of any kind available, her temperature has subsided a little now but still doesn’t feel comfortable going to work just on the off chance, as she works with a couple of older people. Why were we told for months the testing capacity was huge and there for a second spike of infections to be controlled when it clearly isn’t?

Because we were lied to time and time again and the lies keep coming so the focus keeps shifting. Its Johnson's " Whack a Mole" diversion , the last biggie was the 10 million tests a day " Moonshot" scam costing £100 Billion! But, here we are with cases rising and chaos in a testing system that should have been sorted months back.

Seems like my Daughter and her baby got lucky last Monday when they had to only drive from Rustington to Croydon for their tests.

 

[darkwolf666]

It really is farcical, when the Health Minister says "no-one should have to travel more than 75 miles for a test".

Do they not stop and listen to themselves occasionally...

 

[beorhthelm]

hope everyone has emailed their MP complaining the lack of testing facilities locally.

 

[Richy_Seagull]

Bad times in France. Over 10,000 new cases, hospital admissions, ICUs and deaths on the rise.

We seem to be a couple of weeks behind them.

 

[Machiavelli]

Still no test of any kind available, her temperature has subsided a little now but still doesn’t feel comfortable going to work just on the off chance, as she works with a couple of older people. Why were we told for months the testing capacity was huge and there for a second spike of infections to be controlled when it clearly isn’t?

Thanks for sharing this information, and best of luck to your wife.

 

[Machiavelli]

Bad times in France. Over 10,000 new cases, hospital admissions, ICUs and deaths on the rise.

We seem to be a couple of weeks behind them.

I think Spain too is up to that level

 

[Machiavelli]

hope everyone has emailed their MP complaining the lack of testing facilities locally.

My partner said that the nearest testing facility is in the Isle of Wight, and that BHAFC want The Amex revived as a testing centre.

 

[The Wizard]

She finally got an appointment, it appears limited slots are released at 10am every day as I logged in at 10.05 and managed to get an appointment this afternoon at Withdean, there were a lot of cars turning up and being sent away, obviously thinking you can just drive up and be tested. To be fair the people there did seem to have been trained very well, didn’t take long at all in and out within 5 minutes or so.

She feels quite alright now, just fairly under the weather, will update with result.

 

[Albion Dan]

Bad times in France. Over 10,000 new cases, hospital admissions, ICUs and deaths on the rise.

We seem to be a couple of weeks behind them.

Let’s see where it goes. Trend still looks like big increases in cases not correlating with new deaths. Reports stating hospital submissions miles below where they were in April.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Let’s see where it goes. Trend still looks like big increases in cases not correlating with new deaths. Reports stating hospital submissions miles below where they were in April.

Think I read they have no plans to shut down again

 

[Swansman]

Israel first country to go into a second lockdown

 

[The Wizard]

I think it’s clear lockdowns are utterly pointless, it’s just delaying the inevitable isn’t it? If the vaccine isn’t successful, lockdown will go down as the biggest mistake of the pandemic IMO.

 

[beorhthelm]

My partner said that the nearest testing facility is in the Isle of Wight, and that BHAFC want The Amex revived as a testing centre.

thats nice of the club, but we really need a site that doesnt have to pack up for the week end every other week. and more the point, more sites across the county, one in every district.

 

[Swansman]

I think it’s clear lockdowns are utterly pointless, it’s just delaying the inevitable isn’t it? If the vaccine isn’t successful, lockdown will go down as the biggest mistake of the pandemic IMO.

Wonder what will happen if the Russian vaccine turns out to be successful.

The people saying "vaccines are trouble free, should be mandatory and you are killing all the children if you dont take them" are pretty much the same kind of breed that are saying "Russia = Satan".