Green Cross Code Man
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Anyone else feel that this sentence seems a little incredible? Makes Bielsa sound a little unhinged.
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Anyone else feel that this sentence seems a little incredible? Makes Bielsa sound a little unhinged.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
That is the problem and it is a self-defeating situation as potential players will all want surety that the best manager in the world is going to stick around.
ConfusedGloryHunter
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Kalimantan Gull
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You've said this a lot, and for the sake of brevity and perhaps stopping this argument going round and round and round, I am more than happy to agree with you. I think he would be delighted to go. But I also think he will be excited to stay.
To expand, I'll repost something that I wrote a week or so back and is lost in the hundreds of pages we have devoted to this saga...
I think White would be delighted to go. Not saying he wouldn't be excited to stay either, he will be in the premier league regardless, but if he really had a choice....?
Look at the evidence. He's loved by their fans, the players, the manager. He's been an integral part of their most successful season in almost two decades, playing every minute and named man of the match on numerous occasions. He knows he would be 100% on the pitch first game next season, and like all footballers he will want to play. He knows Leeds style of play, he knows that he perfectly fits their style of play, he knows his teammates and how they play. He is more suited to succeed instantly at Leeds. If his ambition is to go all the way to the top, the quickest route is through Leeds.
At Brighton he doesn't (yet) know these things. They're are far more uncertainties at Brighton than Leeds. He probably won't be in the starting eleven for the first game of the season and will have to fight for a chance, and he has to learn our style and where he fits.
But in time he will know we're a pretty damn fine club ourselves. GP will want to get him game time - and will feel pressured to give him game time - so he will be out there, but he won't be the number one defender in our team. He is still in his development stage and too much pressure may harm him. There are potentially more pitfalls at Leeds - if the team starts shipping goals and he isn't ready to be under concerted pressure by world class strikers, he will find himself in the firing line game in game out - and as the centre piece of their defence, nowhere to hide. But Bielsa IS a top coach, and he knows he'll be in good hands there. When he gets to know Potter he'll understand the same at Brighton.
Development is rarely linear, and White has barely had a setback in his career to date. How that affects him mentally we don't know - but he must be confident. There are bound to be difficulties next season, and how he deals with them will determine if he goes to the top top level. The big clubs will be talking to him already, they probably won't pay £25m now because they'll think nothing of paying £40m if he proves himself - but they'll be laying the groundwork to try and get White to choose them when the time comes.
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I want him to stay because there are glimpses of potential greatness, and we don't get many of those. I was well aware of him at Newport and Boro, but his Leeds performances have completely opened my eyes and yes, surprised me at how composed he was. His character seems awesome. I know if I was a Leeds fan I would be desperate to sign him and would make all these same arguments. The biggest loss we had on a loan player we wanted to keep was Sidwell, and it was gutting to lose him. But it's a shame to denigrate Brighton in the process. He doesn't want to go because the fans are better or the setup better or the manager better - all of these are subjective and each of us is biased in our assessments. He would want to go simply because he's had the best year of his life and why would anyone in that position want to change that? Just human nature. If you're enjoying yourself, stay on that ride as long as you can. Once he understands that isn't possible, he is bound to be affected by it. That's where he needs the support of his agents and family to stop him making bad career decisions. He may well be feeling a little down, he has to get himself together and push on with his new opportunity. How he reacts to this situation will say a lot about how far he can go in the game. My confidence is that he'll find another exciting ride at Brighton, that the likes of Potter, Ashworth, Weir, Bruno and his teammates, Dunk, Lallana and Connolly chief among them, will give him the support, time and welcome he needs. As a Brighton fan I have the utmost faith in this group of people to bring out the best in White.
I'm certain Tony Bloom does too. I remember four occasions in the past seven or eight years when players put in transfer requests, when we were championship and premier league clubs wanted them. Ulloa was allowed to go. The other three were not. Bridcutt sulked and got his move in the winter. I didn't hold that grudge (many did) he was a great player for us. It never worked out for him, but that's by the by. The other two were Dunk and Stephens. They were denied their move, got back down to it and are still here, captain and vice captain, two club legends (whatever the Dale detractors might have you believe!). The story goes that Hughton knew they would keep performing, so we could be brave and keep them. Character is all important, and I think Ben White has it in spades. If the club thought he didn't, they'd sell him.
Right, written far too much now. He better be good in the premier league after all this
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Seasider78
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It all sounds crazy almost like they clearly want him to sit down and get it over the line but are almost tip toeing around him in case they upset him and he strops off.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Terry mate, Bielsa wanted Augustine.
How did that turn out?
Megazone
On his last warning
I don't see the problem? Signatures aren't easy. Very easy to let the hand slip and get it wrong.
Focus is essential when signing things. Give the man time.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
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pretty sure he could do it over the week end, or one evening. read through, call with lawyer, and sign. clearly he is holding out for something or negotiating something.
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Cushion for his bucket?
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Um, “Not for sale”... does not equal “playing hardball” Daz.
Maybe it just means not for sale? Long shot I know.
Ben wants to leave [emoji3581]
Doesn’t understand what not for sale means [emoji3581]
Fantasist [emoji3581]
https://twitter.com/darrenkeogh15/status/1296736903958585344
Maybe it just means not for sale? Long shot I know.
Ben wants to leave [emoji3581]
Doesn’t understand what not for sale means [emoji3581]
Fantasist [emoji3581]
https://twitter.com/darrenkeogh15/status/1296736903958585344
GT49er
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"Brighton have been very clear in their position that he is not for sale and that's where we are unless something changes," Kinnear told BBC Radio Leeds. That's what the article says. The BBC headline on this? 'Leeds confident on Marcelo Bielsa contract, no deal yet for Brighton's Ben White!
It's not only Leeds United that has idiots then. Some are alive and well and stealing a living at the BBC!
GT49er
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I may be missing something here (or not!) but can somebody tell me, to the nearest ten seconds or so, just how long does it take to write your signature at the bottom of a contract?
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Well if you’re just making shit up any point is relevant I guess.
Let’s see if I can play... oh this is fun. Maybe Bielsa is resigning from Leeds soon and the ground is being sold off. I think that’s pretty relevant. Don’t you?
https://twitter.com/liamjenkins85/status/1296764481092096000
Let’s see if I can play... oh this is fun. Maybe Bielsa is resigning from Leeds soon and the ground is being sold off. I think that’s pretty relevant. Don’t you?
https://twitter.com/liamjenkins85/status/1296764481092096000
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Leeds fans, loved by all for their witty banter. Making friends North of the border over Ryan Kent [emoji2528]
https://twitter.com/sedge_whites/status/1296179441354379267
https://twitter.com/sedge_whites/status/1296179441354379267
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I’m going to hazard a wild guess that the Leeds party line “oh Bielsa’s contract? .... we haven’t had... time to do that that yet” MAY be BS [emoji108]
Thunder Bolt
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The Fifth Column
Retired ex-cop
Leeds play European and PL champions Liverpool in just over 3 weeks time, they have a weaker championship level squad minus their loanee best player, have made no significant signings, have one recognised striker who is Bamford!, a lack of central defenders and an out of contract manager stalling on signing a new deal! But they all seem reasonably content, I'd be very very worried if I was a Leeds fan.
They seem to think Bielsa is some sort of God just because he got them promoted from a very average division. I think they are in for a nasty reality check in September then it will be normal service resumed, car crash Leeds taking over Newcastles crown in the PL.
They seem to think Bielsa is some sort of God just because he got them promoted from a very average division. I think they are in for a nasty reality check in September then it will be normal service resumed, car crash Leeds taking over Newcastles crown in the PL.
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‘How to win friends and influence people’ - The Leeds edition
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https://twitter.com/samjackson23/status/1296786728674570240
Pot, kettle.......