[Albion] St Albans Cathedral commision repainting the last supper with Jesus depicted as Black

[sydney]

Crucifixion, wasn't it?

the ascension shirley

 

[Eeyore]

Do any of these two early texts describe what Jesus looked like or could he have been a bald, red-eyed albino for all we know?

No, except the prophetic reference in the Old Testament that refers to him as having 'no beauty that we should desire him'.

The two early texts I can think of are in reference to secular accounts (I edited the two references bit out of my original post to avoid confusion but you replied before it took effect- there are a handful of references in the first hundred years from actual Christians). None mention his appearance to my knowledge.

 

[sydney]

Do any of these two early texts describe what Jesus looked like or could he have been a bald, red-eyed albino for all we know?

you won't go far wrong using schelotto as your baseline.......or that **** from arsenal

 

[Swansman]

No, except the prophetic reference in the Old Testament that refers to him as having 'no beauty that we should desire him'.

Ok, thats not really saying much since there's been times when people's been like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ZUshzhMtc

 

[hans kraay fan club]

you won't go far wrong using schelotto as your baseline.......or that **** from arsenal

Lacazette?

 

[sydney]

Lacazette?

nah the other ****.......with the hair.

 

[highflyer]

you won't go far wrong using schelotto as your baseline.......or that **** from arsenal

As noted above: 'the prophetic reference in the Old Testament that refers to him as having 'no beauty that we should desire him'

Seems to rule out our Ezequiel I'd say?

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

'the prophetic reference in the Old Testament that refers to him as having 'no beauty that we should desire him

Jebus on a unicycle juggling baby kola bears.....

how bloody ugly was Mary Magdalene then.....

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Sorry, but where will this all end?

This sort of debate has been going on for years, not just the result of recent events. My father-in-law was a Methodist minister and in Palestine as a Chaplain during the war. He always maintained that of course Jesus was black. Given his ethnic origins it’s highly likely he wasn’t as white as usually depicted.

 

[sydney]

As noted above: 'the prophetic reference in the Old Testament that refers to him as having 'no beauty that we should desire him'

Seems to rule out our Ezequiel I'd say?

whatever floats your boat hun....and seeing as swans man has put a shitty bit of white boy "junk" up i think its only fair to offer an alternative listening style and one that i must say the lad upstairs would feel a tad more drawn to....xx goodnight.

https://youtu.be/7KNxcByCEkM

 

[marlowe]

I've got no problem with Jesus being portrayed as black but if he started to be depicted as wearing socks with his sandals I would definitely be starting a thread in a very similar vein to this one.

 

[Fiskmås]

Yeshua ben Youssuf not being white, who would've thought?

Ok, he most probably wasn't Jamaican either as in this case, but makes as much or little sense as white.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Indeed. The western portrayal of Jesus as the 'white saviour' is a political one. His cloak is white and his complexion more in keeping with Plymouth than Palestine.

Any outrage here comes from personal prejudice rather than faith. And if faith is about truth then surely no-one should have a problem.

Yet all to often we see that faith is merely a symbol of cultural tribalism. This country is a good example. The phrase 'Christian country' is all too often trotted out by our leaders. This should be an offence to Christians. It is a faith, a way of life through devotion, not a cultural alignment. A Christian is a person who believes in Christ. 'Christian country' is a euphemism for 'White Anglo Saxon'.

I'm not even sure Jesus should be portrayed anyway. As the apostle Paul said in Athens, 'The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands'.

Very much political. How can you be an alt-right, racist fundamentalist US Christian if Jesus looked like an Arab? I mean that really isn’t going to float your boat. The fact that he was Jewish just sends them into hysterics.

The fact that some people have issues with this is beyond me. It’s blindingly obvious that he wasn’t white.


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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You are Nigel Farage and I claim my £5

Hmmmmm......

Ahem.

I was taking the piss.

Clearer now?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

the ascension shirley

I have been fretting about this all day.

Actually.....what I had more in mind was the resurrection.

 

[Lenny Rider]

Perhaps he’s referring to the other hundred threads?

I see my NSC input as an extension of my Lenny Rider column in Gulls Eye, don't remember you or Hans Kray complaining back then?

 

[Lenny Rider]

To be fair to the OP, religion is a belief system. For some, the more challenging the thing you require to believe, the better. A catholic pal of mine was happy to use radioisotopes in his research that fit into a physics and chemistry world that works only if the earth is (at least) hundreds of thousands of years old, and yet was delighted to believe that god created the universe (in which the Earth sits icentrally) 6 thousand years ago.

If the OP's religious belief is likewise dependent on believing the physically absurd then, yes, why not believe that Jesus was a blond blue eyed anglo saxon? In fact, he should Rejoice that his belief system is being challenged by clearly satanic 'BLM' weirdos.

Alternatively, mate, why not chill out a bit? We all know you have been under the weather. You won't make things better by channeling Victor Meldrew at the drop of a hat.

Here is an idea for you. Change. It happens all the time. Why not embrace it? When I was younger it was quite acceptable to slap a woman's arse in the workplace. It happened every day in at least 2 places I worked. That is now illegal. I don't feel that my world has fallen apart as a consequence.

Chose the things that warrant outrage a little more judiciously and all may become a little more serene.

And - very best wishes [MENTION=17322]Lenny Rider[/MENTION]

Thank you hombre, 113 days today......

 

[Silverhatch]

I suppose I should come in here. I spent much time studying early church history in the late 80s.

There are very few secular references to Jesus in the first fifty or so years after his death (other than the gospels/letters/early church references etc). In fairness, it's not unexpected, although I'd like to see the ones that the early Christians, who were often divided on theology, had to hand. Some of the historical texts, such as Josephus reference to him as 'Christ' may have been doctored. That one doesn't ring true for me given that he was a Jewish historian. There were writings though, as Lucian refers to in his second century references to Christ crucified.

What is most uncontested for me is the existence of Christ. It's hard to believe otherwise. Also, the existence of John the Baptist seems probable, the crucifixion undeniable. There is an independent reference

It's a question of who he was. Without authentic early accounts beyond what we have in scripture as handed down (and the absence of the origins and sources of the original document(s) that the first three gospels rely on) it comes down to faith.

But that is what Christianity is, faith. Let a person's relationship with Christ guide them. If they hold the scriptures as divine (they cannot be proved not) then they are indeed that.

Access to all the Constantine archives would help, but will the Vatican ever hand over the keys?

 

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I don’t want to seem churlish but
He doesn’t look much like Robert Powell.

 

[carlzeiss]

Bond was a jock, so what about Chris Iwelumo?

A post op Christine Iwelumo would be a shoe-in for the role .