How do you think Boris has handled it so far ?

[vegster]

The BA news will have rocked them massively.

12K jobs - there are already more job loses than deaths now if you take the 1/4 of small business closing as fact.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8265143/How-people-REALLY-caught-COVID-19-UK-London.html

"Preliminary death rates emerging in studies around the world suggest that anywhere between 4.2million and 33million people in the UK may have been infected with the coronavirus and recovered already"

What might the margin of error be for those figures ? only asking, like ?

 

[beorhthelm]

Seems a few on here seems very unhappy about fact based journalism, many without even watching the programme concerned, they have already made up their mind based on tribalism.

Who is government ordered that PPE standards should be dropped for Covid?

It does that they have tried to hide behind Science throughout to cover failings they knew would emerge....

What's the alternative Fox News UK hosted by Julia Hartley-Brewer

someone in Public Health for England most likely, the same authority involved in downgrade of Covid from HCID
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

 

[drew]

Oh there you are again, didn’t see your reply to me posting evidence yesterday and the challenge over calling me a ‘nutter’ both breaching NSC engagement rules and highlighting your inability to calmly argue against anyone who presents any challenge to your mainstream programming. What I stated was bleeding obvious but here is the evidence you crave.


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....austerity-behind-130000-deaths-uk-ippr-report

Didn't think you trusted the Guardian!!

Anyway, aren't those figures based on several years? We are possible going to see in excess of 40K covid deaths and that is just one year.

 

[pb21]

Which is why we entered lock down and social distancing. To protect the NHS and flatten the curve. That number would also assume every single person in the country caught the disease which isn’t realistic.

I based that number on 80% of the population being infected, which is realistic (would equate to an R0 of around 5) certainly realistic enough to give an indication of the impact.

 

[A1X]

Can't wait for the resident Government cheerleaders to decide these front-line workers are Labour activists and can thus be safely ignored too...

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[Fitzcarraldo]

Seems every single interviewee on Panorama was a Labour activists.

https://order-order.com/2020/04/28/panoramas-ppe-investigation-party-political-broadcast/

Honestly! The BBC don't seem to do themselves any favours, do they? Why do stuff like this? At the very least, they must know they're going to get found out.

Maybe instead of reaching for the tin foil hat you should be asking why staff in the NHS are more likely to support Labour than the Tories?

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Some doubts today about whether Johnson will be up to PMQs. I was looking forward to seeing how he performs in the new 'format' and with Starmer rather than Corbyn across the floor. The traditional PMQ bearpit plays very much to his strengths - rousing the Tory backbenches and feeding off that energy.

Of course PMQs is only a sideshow to getting on and governing the country with competence and credibility, something that is itself becoming increasingly questionable in the light of the data coming out of the care sector. Presumably the hapless (on the basis of last week's performance) and rather sinister Raab will stand in today. Were chanting to be allowed, I rather hope it would be something like 'What's it like to be outclassed?'

 

[Machiavelli]

Maybe instead of reaching for the tin foil hat you should be asking why staff in the NHS are more likely to support Labour than the Tories?

But that's because they 'bribe' NHS workers by not giving them decades-long pay cuts, and by not undervaluing their contributions.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

But that's because they 'bribe' NHS workers by not giving them decades-long pay cuts, and by not undervaluing their contributions.

I for one am shocked that they campaigned against the party that literally cheered when they last voted to deny them a slight pay rise.

 

[Albion Dan]

Didn't think you trusted the Guardian!!

Anyway, aren't those figures based on several years? We are possible going to see in excess of 40K covid deaths and that is just one year.

I always said it would be the long term effect of recession that killed more people. Does the time frame matter more than the total? The Guardian is merely presenting the findings of the report which is available in multiple places. I don’t trust any main stream billionaire owner self serving media.

 

[CheeseRolls]

I always said it would be the long term effect of recession that killed more people. Does the time frame matter more than the total? The Guardian is merely presenting the findings of the report which is available in multiple places. I don’t trust any main stream billionaire owner self serving media.

Have you factored in deaths from respiratory disease due to air pollution? Estimates are in the region 40-60k per annum,. Some of these people will have succumbed to CV-19, but crucially you can self-isolate from CV-19 much easier than from air pollution. UK Air quality is currently excellent.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Some doubts today about whether Johnson will be up to PMQs. I was looking forward to seeing how he performs in the new 'format' and with Starmer rather than Corbyn across the floor. The traditional PMQ bearpit plays very much to his strengths - rousing the Tory backbenches and feeding off that energy.

Of course PMQs is only a sideshow to getting on and governing the country with competence and credibility, something that is itself becoming increasingly questionable in the light of the data coming out of the care sector. Presumably the hapless (on the basis of last week's performance) and rather sinister Raab will stand in today. Were chanting to be allowed, I rather hope it would be something like 'What's it like to be outclassed?'

I doubt he will be there as he has become a Dad again this morning. Carrie Symonds has given birth to a healthy baby boy. Congrats to them both.

 

[Bakero]

I always said it would be the long term effect of recession that killed more people. Does the time frame matter more than the total? The Guardian is merely presenting the findings of the report which is available in multiple places. I don’t trust any main stream billionaire owner self serving media.

The Guardian should be your go-to paper then (apologies if that's what you were suggesting).

 

[Butch Willykins]

Some doubts today about whether Johnson will be up to PMQs.

I doubt he’ll be there today, his partner has just given birth to a baby boy.

Lovely news. Congrats to Carrie & Boris.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Maybe if Boris had "handled it" more often, he wouldn't have had another child today.

 

[nicko31]

I doubt he’ll be there today, his partner has just given birth to a baby boy.

Lovely news. Congrats to Carrie & Boris.

No paternity leave please, you'd have enough time off already

 

[RossyG]

Economy versus lives? Hmmm.

Economy is lives. What do you think the life expectancy is for people in countries with economies that crash? Venezuela or Zimbabwe, for example.

 

[RossyG]

According to the politically neutral Guido Fawkes.

The evidence is there in the link I provided. Are you disputing it?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Economy is lives. What do you think the life expectancy is for people in countries with economies that crash? Venezuela or Zimbabwe, for example.

Not sure how people are expecting the NHS to be funded if the economy tanks.

 

[RossyG]

Not sure how people are expecting the NHS to be funded if the economy tanks.

They’ll also be wondering why, after months of this, all the nice little businesses have gone bust and they can only drink in chain pubs or buy stuff from Amazon and why prices have gone up and wages have gone down.