[News] The UK’s “Three Stage” Exit Strategy To Ease The Coronavirus Lockdown

[beorhthelm]

lets not get too hung up on details, a "leak" to Buzzfeed better known for internet trivia quizzes.

 

[Recidivist]

What's NSC's exit strategy from being 'kind'?

Just start another thread on the usual suspects - Stephens, Webster, March etc.

Plenty will be frothing at the mouth within minutes......!


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[vegster]

The death toll for years and decades will be huge after this virus is done, due to poverty, mental health issues, suicide, poor health, poor nhs as no money left. Not sure we are on the right track with this but will go along with it, well we have no choice. Expect to be under house arrest until late June at the earliest. Can't see any spectator football until 21/22 season

Those that make it through will have learned valuable lessons about what really matters in life...… I hope. The poverty, mental health issues etc aren't going away but neither were they being properly addressed before Covid-19 anyway so no change there. I do hope that many people who have volunteered for various schemes to help those less fortunate in health or wealth will carry on in some way after the virus has passed and they then focus on those less fortunate and able in society .

We can only hope.

 

[drew]

The COVID-19 App this morning only showed 2.5m users, so you're right, some way to go, only 2,500 in the Arun District.

Out of interest, which specific app is that as there seems to be a few on the google store!

 

[The Oldman]

I cannot see the 70 plus putting up with up to 18 months exclusion from their family particularly from grandchildren. As others have said on NSC it’s us oldies who keep breaking the rules!

 

[Eeyore]

It's been fairly obvious that the crude decision of economics v lives was on its way. Especially given that the WHO is now saying that immunity after infection is far from a given.

It reaches the awful point of just having to live with the thing until a vaccine turns up.

 

[Bozza]

lets not get too hung up on details, a "leak" to Buzzfeed better known for internet trivia quizzes.

Whilst any leak should be treated with caution, that’s a somewhat dated view of Buzzfeed.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I wonder where schools fit into this. In terms of getting back to normality, I think for many that is more important than restaurants and pubs - not for owners of, and workers at, pubs and restaurants of course

I'd fully expect close human contact in enclosed buildings such as theatres and cinema's and music gigs will be the last things to return to any sort of normality. One contaminated person in a cinema for a couple of hours could infect dozens. And yes, somehow the government has to work out what an " acceptable " ( absolutely horrifying ) level of fatalities would be to balance with getting the economy moving again.

So how does that work for schools then? How many people can be infected in a couple of hours in a school?

Let's get them back, but no close contact. Hmm.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Those that make it through will have learned valuable lessons about what really matters in life...… I hope. The poverty, mental health issues etc aren't going away but neither were they being properly addressed before Covid-19 anyway so no change there. I do hope that many people who have volunteered for various schemes to help those less fortunate in health or wealth will carry on in some way after the virus has passed and they then focus on those less fortunate and able in society .

We can only hope.

Pretty easy thing to say you hope people would have learned valuable lessons of what’s important - when there is a serious chance of millions defaulting on mortgages etc.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Wow, that isn't looking good for the travel and hospitality industries. I was rather hoping UK travel sector would get a unexpected boost this Summer.

I still think travel will kick up around mid June - not sure what it will look like -

 

[vegster]

So how does that work for schools then? How many people can be infected in a couple of hours in a school?

Let's get them back, but no close contact. Hmm.

I think the only way would be to vaccinate the children at the same time as the most vulnerable, either that or schooling has to have a radical makeover in its approach such as maybe having just 50% of kids in school and they do alternate days, all children checked daily for temperature on arrival and at time of leaving, teaching outdoors. Maybe children attend just one day a week in even smaller groups and have four days at home doing projects or learning online. No easy solutions.

 

[Weststander]

Wow, that isn't looking good for the travel and hospitality industries. I was rather hoping UK travel sector would get a unexpected boost this Summer.

Simon Calder, yes I know he would sat this, but he’s far more optimistic about tourism/travel within the UK and to certain EU nations from May, June at the latest.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Simon Calder, yes I know he would sat this, but he’s far more optimistic about tourism/travel within the UK and to certain EU nations from May, June at the latest.

As soon as the US opens up and FCO advice Changes airlines/tour operators will start up again

 

[vegster]

Pretty easy thing to say you hope people would have learned valuable lessons of what’s important - when there is a serious chance of millions defaulting on mortgages etc.

Yes, how terrible of me to suggest people might value things differently after this crisis.

As for mortgages, I think you will find that " Mortgage holidays " will be the norm for a while and extending the term of the mortgage.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Yes, how terrible of me to suggest people might value things differently after this crisis.

As for mortgages, I think you will find that " Mortgage holidays " will be the norm for a while and extending the term of the mortgage.

I’m pretty sure people kicked out of houses will think “thank god we have our health, pass me another slice of rat”

Banks have already said they are unlikely to extend the 3 months.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The failure to test in this country means we're all in the dark on this. As it say, nothing can happen until we have massively increased our testing numbers.

Agree. I cannot see how the U.K. can move forward with relaxing the lock-down until you have a clear handle on infection rates and these are deemed under control. This is stated as a caveat in the leak but this seems weeks, if not months off, at the moment.

 

[Weststander]

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The death toll for years and decades will be huge after this virus is done, due to poverty, mental health issues, suicide, poor health, poor nhs as no money left. Not sure we are on the right track with this but will go along with it, well we have no choice. Expect to be under house arrest until late June at the earliest. Can't see any spectator football until 21/22 season starts

At some stage soon, a balance will need to be struck, in NOT seeking the absolute minimisation of covid-19 deaths, at the expense of; bankrupting countries, businesses, families, wiping out entire industries such as tourism, horticulture and culture, as well as creating mental health issues for 10m’s of folk locked away in their apartments or similar, kids spending an ever growing chunk of their childhood parted from friends and staring at four walls/screens.

 

[Garage_Doors]

The COVID-19 App this morning only showed 2.5m users, so you're right, some way to go, only 2,500 in the Arun District.

what is this COVID-19 App?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

At some stage soon, a balance will need to be struck, in NOT seeking the absolute minimisation of covid-19 deaths, at the expense of; bankrupting countries, businesses, families, wiping out entire industries such as tourism, horticulture and culture, as well as creating mental health issues for 10m’s of folk locked away in their apartments or similar, kids spending an ever growing chunk of their childhood parted from friends and staring at four walls/screens.

There will have to be ownership or responsibility passed to the public at some point or this will never end.

If you are unwell stay at home, I get some don’t show symptoms - but if the number is that high we are potentially massively over reacting as millions have had it.

 

[vegster]

I’m pretty sure people kicked out of houses will think “thank god we have our health, pass me another slice of rat”

Banks have already said they are unlikely to extend the 3 months.

I'm pretty sure they will be made aware of the debt they owe the country after they were bailed out in 2008. Besides, if people are kicked out of their houses for non payment how does the bank get its money back when suddenly hundreds of thousands of properties go on sale and the prices crash ? …. I'm assuming you have a large mortgage and fear for your job ?