Clap for our Carers : Tonight 8pm

[Bozza]

Mind specifying what he was banned for so others can avoid the same fate?

He wasn't banned from NSC, I blocked him from this thread.

His recent posting history is nearly always aggressive and confrontational and spoiling for a fight.

Banned for expressing our political views? That's a slippery slope. If it is indeed because he's been argumentative on other threads then that's different.

1. No one was banned.
2. To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever been banned from NSC for expressing political views, at least none that could be considered reasonable.*

I suspect if you plotted the NSC political position of NSC moderators on a line, it would be heavily weighted towards the left, despite the protestations of some that the group are essentially fascists. Some people only seem to look for differences and conflict, sadly.

(* And before someone picks up on that second point, I'm not placing myself as arbiter of what political views are reasonable, but it may be the case that those with extremist political views have been or could be banned from here. I can't recall any specific examples, but the kind of political ideologies that lead to terrorist behaviour, for example, are not welcome here)

 

[Bold Seagull]

Just take step back and try and understand that we the public and simply trying to support in whatever way we can. I can understand why so many years in the NHS has made you cynical but it really isn't like that at the moment. Try and see the good.

It isn't like that at present, and rather than the B-word, and bankers, and any other excuses, got to hope that no UK political party ever uses the NHS as a source of saving costs to pay for something else ever again. In the years to come I hope we can reflect on taking the NHS to its bare bones as a mistake not to be repeated. It should be a wake up call to the unseen reality for many people of what underfunding looks like, and it will be stark on reflection how some healthcare systems will have coped much better than others.

 

[The Clamp]

I wonder what % of those so keen on letting it be known they clapped have signed up to be an NHS responder? A very useful thing most people can do, even if they can spare one hour a week. I seem to recall my mention of it on here met with a decidedly lukewarm reception.
Seems to me to be a more useful contribution than banging your pots on the front path.

 

[dazzer6666]

If you'd said all of that in the first place then perhaps our discussion would have been rather different. Because it was not the intonation in your original comments.

As you say, just because you don't agree with it, it doesn't make it wrong. My partner is also a career nurse in an elderly ward in an NHS hospital who totally supports it. She can't stand Jeremy Hunt either but not very much appreciates the support and help, however, small or meaningless is provided my members of the general public. What has happened in the past can stay there for the moment so that we can deal with the here and now.

We are where we are. I see what my partner does every single day and she has more respect from me by the day. It just makes my job seem less and less relevant.

Just take step back and try and understand that we the public and simply trying to support in whatever way we can. I can understand why so many years in the NHS has made you cynical but it really isn't like that at the moment. Try and see the good.

.....my daughter just said 'Whoopeee, clapping, does that mean I'll get a fresh mask more than once every 3 hours then ?' I'm still going to do it next week though.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Why immature, his point is perfectly valid and true.

My post was a summary of his most recent posting history not just the post I quoted.

 

[scamander]

Apologies if it has been stated already but I see this as much as a subtle way to keep some form of social cohesiveness. I would expect that alongside the medical opinions offering their input at Govt level there will also be input from psychologists and those who will be experts in how groups respond in these conditions. I imagine they would have worked alongside the medical advice to try and ensure the advice given has a practical application. The point being is that there's a groupthink response to all of this which also needs to be managed. People are feeling isolated and perhaps even guilty. A good way of managing this is providing a cathartic vent. The clapping is a group activity and a positive one. I think it works on a number of levels to keep the population in as much of a unit as possible. This is aside from the obvious effects.

 

[Lower West Stander]

I wonder what % of those so keen on letting it be known they clapped have signed up to be an NHS responder? A very useful thing most people can do, even if they can spare one hour a week. I seem to recall my mention of it on here met with a decidedly lukewarm reception.
Seems to me to be a more useful contribution than banging your pots on the front path.

Perhaps people could do both? My daughter did.

Just a thought....

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I wonder what % of those so keen on letting it be known they clapped have signed up to be an NHS responder? A very useful thing most people can do, even if they can spare one hour a week. I seem to recall my mention of it on here met with a decidedly lukewarm reception.
Seems to me to be a more useful contribution than banging your pots on the front path.

Mrs WS did both.

 

[The Clamp]

Perhaps people could do both? My daughter did.

Just a thought....

Uhm, yes. That was my question. “I wonder what %....”?

Maybe I’ll let out a small squeal and a clap when our face masks turn up at work....on April 27th.

 

[jonnyrovers]

If you'd said all of that in the first place then perhaps our discussion would have been rather different. Because it was not the intonation in your original comments.

As you say, just because you don't agree with it, it doesn't make it wrong. My partner is also a career nurse in an elderly ward in an NHS hospital who totally supports it. She can't stand Jeremy Hunt either but not very much appreciates the support and help, however, small or meaningless is provided my members of the general public. What has happened in the past can stay there for the moment so that we can deal with the here and now.

We are where we are. I see what my partner does every single day and she has more respect from me by the day. It just makes my job seem less and less relevant.

Just take step back and try and understand that we the public and simply trying to support in whatever way we can. I can understand why so many years in the NHS has made you cynical but it really isn't like that at the moment. Try and see the good.

All fair comments. Trying to see the good is difficult for me I admit, and yes I'm cynical, but I'm not a hypocrite and I struggle to empathise with those that are.

All the best to you and especially your wife. It sounds as if she, like me, is currently tasked with keeping other essential services running while the huge COVID effort occurs elsewhere. I hope she can stay safe. I think we'll all end up at the coal face at some point over the coming months.

 

[jonnyrovers]

Apologies if it has been stated already but I see this as much as a subtle way to keep some form of social cohesiveness. I would expect that alongside the medical opinions offering their input at Govt level there will also be input from psychologists and those who will be experts in how groups respond in these conditions. I imagine they would have worked alongside the medical advice to try and ensure the advice given has a practical application. The point being is that there's a groupthink response to all of this which also needs to be managed. People are feeling isolated and perhaps even guilty. A good way of managing this is providing a cathartic vent. The clapping is a group activity and a positive one. I think it works on a number of levels to keep the population in as much of a unit as possible. This is aside from the obvious effects.

I tried to describe this phenomenon in an earlier post but you've nailed it. Thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to recognise.

 

[HH Brighton]

Obvious that our NHS staff (my wife included) are being treated poorly as per usual. My wife in work for the last 3 weeks, no protection, no testing and she is working some of the countries most vunerable young adults. Absolutely horrific some of whats going on. We stood outside and clapped but anyone there is a huge stench of hypocracy in the air when looking down the road at these Tory voting tossers.Stay indoors if that was your vote, they don't need your support now, they needed when there was a election and a EU referendum.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Obvious that our NHS staff (my wife included) are being treated poorly as per usual. My wife in work for the last 3 weeks, no protection, no testing and she is working some of the countries most vunerable young adults. Absolutely horrific some of whats going on. We stood outside and clapped but anyone there is a huge stench of hypocracy in the air when looking down the road at these Tory voting tossers.Stay indoors if that was your vote, they don't need your support now, they needed when there was a election and a EU referendum.

Ah, good, another one making a good thing political. Well done Hopefully you go the same way as Plooks.

 

[Bry Nylon]

People also stayed out afterwards to chat to each other and staying a safe distance apart.

I can see this as the light improves becoming a social event and invoking a war time spirit.

I can see this becoming a real issue as the weather warms up and the evenings draw out.

The very last thing we need right now is everybody outside their houses at 8pm every Thursday evening. The instruction is clear: stay in your houses. How many people will be tempted to 'pop next door' to join a bbq or have a drink with neighbours just for a few minutes? This is a really well-intentioned initiative but I fear that as summer arrives it has the potential to invoke the Law of Unintended Consequences and actually increase infection rates and the pressure on the NHS.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

I can see this becoming a real issue as the weather warms up and the evenings draw out.

The very last thing we need right now is everybody outside their houses at 8pm every Thursday evening. The instruction is clear: stay in your houses. How many people will be tempted to 'pop next door' to join a bbq or have a drink with neighbours just for a few minutes? This is a really well-intentioned initiative but I fear that as summer arrives it has the potential to invoke the Law of Unintended Consequences and actually increase infection rates and the pressure on the NHS.

Yes, it could be a problem

( I’ll pop the invite to the bbq in the post)

 

[Bry Nylon]

Yes, it could be a problem

( I’ll pop the invite to the bbq in the post)

 

[The Clamp]

Ah, good, another one making a good thing political. Well done Hopefully you go the same way as Plooks.

In the spirit of Be Kind, perhaps you could try and see it from other’s point of view. Some people are very close to the problem and be very worried about loved ones. Emotions are high. Please just take a breath before you berate people for their views (whether you feel they should be on the thread or not), of you don’t like what they have written just don’t reply, pass over. They are probably experiencing a lot of pressure and emotion. Let’s not add to that with calls for bannings, eh? Leave it to the Mods.

Have good weekend, stay safe.
Peace

 

[bhanutz]

Obvious that our NHS staff (my wife included) are being treated poorly as per usual. My wife in work for the last 3 weeks, no protection, no testing and she is working some of the countries most vunerable young adults. Absolutely horrific some of whats going on. We stood outside and clapped but anyone there is a huge stench of hypocracy in the air when looking down the road at these Tory voting tossers.Stay indoors if that was your vote, they don't need your support now, they needed when there was a election and a EU referendum.

Absolutely spot on! amazing how hypocritical and naive a lot of Tory voters are.... Probably only vote for them cause their parents did...blah blah blah

 

[BN9 BHA]

Absolutely spot on! amazing how hypocritical and naive a lot of Tory voters are.... Probably only vote for them cause their parents did...blah blah blah

Politics

 

[BN41Albion]

Ah, good, another one making a good thing political. Well done Hopefully you go the same way as Plooks.

The two are very closely linked at the moment, though, especially for those currently working, or with loved ones currently working, on the front line. He said his wife has been on the front line for 3 weeks with no protection and working with very vulnerable people. I think he's entitled to his opinion, eh.