[Football] We are no better than last season at this point FACT

[GT49er]

How is Potter doing in comparison to last season now?

Better against Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs, for a start.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Why the facepalm? Our chairman deserves every Brighton fan’s support. His decision to sack your beloved Chris was 100% correct. So, why the facepalm?

The facepalm was because of the implication that it was Brighton who got Hughton to the PL - and not the other way around - thought that one would be pretty obvious.

 

[drew]

The facepalm was because of the implication that it was Brighton who got Hughton to the PL - and not the other way around - thought that one would be pretty obvious.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Certainly not was implied by the post you gave the facepalm to.

Seems to me you think that it was only because of Hughton that the club got to the PL. He was one of several factors. We would have got there whether it was Hughton or some other manager in charge. We got close several times before and it may have happened when it did, it may have happened a couple of years later but it would have happened.

As b.w.2. quite rightly pointed out, this club had been building for this moment for some considerable time. The stadium, the training facility and academy etc, all financed by a lifelong seagull fan, not some money man looking to make a quick buck as with most other clubs. Hughton was part of the jigsaw, he wasn't the only piece!!! Your knowledge of football is poor if you think otherwise.

 

[Peter Grummit]

Potter did brilliantly today with the adjustments at half-time.

Not getting enough credit IMO.


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Guardian reporter pointed out that Lampard clearly lost the tactical battle with GP today.

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[Jolly Red Giant]

That makes no sense whatsoever. Certainly not was implied by the post you gave the facepalm to.

It was actually - you need to go back and read several of the previous posts

Seems to me you think that it was only because of Hughton that the club got to the PL. He was one of several factors. We would have got there whether it was Hughton or some other manager in charge. We got close several times before and it may have happened when it did, it may have happened a couple of years later but it would have happened.

As b.w.2. quite rightly pointed out, this club had been building for this moment for some considerable time. The stadium, the training facility and academy etc, all financed by a lifelong seagull fan, not some money man looking to make a quick buck as with most other clubs. Hughton was part of the jigsaw, he wasn't the only piece!!! Your knowledge of football is poor if you think otherwise.

Oh - holy bejaysus - look - if Hughton was never manager, Brighton could well have won promotion - the could even have stayed in the PL for 3 or more years. But all of that is supposition. Hughton took over the club at the bottom of the Championship, got the club promoted and kept the club in the PL for two years. Was he the only one responsible for that - no - the club had to by players, the players had to perform, and the fans played their part as well. Hughton was the first manager since 1979 to take the club into the top division - why not celebrate his achievement as manager, getting promoted and keeping the club in the PL for two season - and move on - enjoy the ride with Potter. Instead we have this repeated nonsense of comparing this season and last - its like trying to compare marmite with bovril.

 

[Stat Brother]

Aren't you tired?

 

[drew]

It was actually - you need to go back and read several of the previous posts



Oh - holy bejaysus - look - if Hughton was never manager, Brighton could well have won promotion - the could even have stayed in the PL for 3 or more years. But all of that is supposition. Hughton took over the club at the bottom of the Championship, got the club promoted and kept the club in the PL for two years. Was he the only one responsible for that - no - the club had to by players, the players had to perform, and the fans played their part as well. Hughton was the first manager since 1979 to take the club into the top division - why not celebrate his achievement as manager, getting promoted and keeping the club in the PL for two season - and move on - enjoy the ride with Potter. Instead we have this repeated nonsense of comparing this season and last - its like trying to compare marmite with bovril.

The reason it is dragging on is because you think the sun shines out of CH's backside and that he should never have been sacked, not from Newcastle, nor from Norwich and now from Brighton. Not everybody agreed with it at the time (for the record I did) but I would respectfully suggest that those Brighton fans watching the team are eternally grateful that TB did what he did and we are watching the football we see now rather than what we saw last season.

We're all grateful for his role in getting us where we are but most good things come to an end. We saw today how tactically aware Potter is, making changes at half time and switching it around. I'm afraid that isn't something we saw from CH last year.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Seems to me you think that it was only because of Hughton that the club got to the PL. He was one of several factors. We would have got there whether it was Hughton or some other manager in charge. We got close several times before and it may have happened when it did, it may have happened a couple of years later but it would have happened.
.

You seem very keen to curtail any credit to Hughton with some of your comments.

There is literally no evidence to suggest it would have happened, because we’d failed previously and in fact went backwards under Hyypia.

Poyet certainly wasn’t a bad manager, even Garcia (not my cup of tea), made the play-off’s.

We might have made it, we might not of......... Derby?

Weren’t we becoming known as Club Infrastructure?

Hughton wasn’t the only reason, but the facts in terms of what we achieved would suggest he was the main one.




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[Albion my Albion]

You seem very keen to curtail any credit to Hughton with some of your comments.

There is literally no evidence to suggest it would have happened, because we’d failed previously and in fact went backwards under Hyypia.

Poyet certainly wasn’t a bad manager, even Garcia (not my cup of tea), made the play-off’s.

We might have made it, we might not of......... Derby?

Weren’t we becoming known as Club Infrastructure?

Hughton wasn’t the only reason, but the facts in terms of what we achieved would suggest he was the main one.

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[B.W.]

The facepalm was because of the implication that it was Brighton who got Hughton to the PL - and not the other way around - thought that one would be pretty obvious.

Hmmm... I was clearly criticising YOU and your equally dumb cronies for not recognising our brilliant Chairman's contribution to our club... you need help IMHO...

 

[B.W.]

It was actually - you need to go back and read several of the previous posts



Oh - holy bejaysus - look - if Hughton was never manager, Brighton could well have won promotion - the could even have stayed in the PL for 3 or more years. But all of that is supposition. Hughton took over the club at the bottom of the Championship, got the club promoted and kept the club in the PL for two years. Was he the only one responsible for that - no - the club had to by players, the players had to perform, and the fans played their part as well. Hughton was the first manager since 1979 to take the club into the top division - why not celebrate his achievement as manager, getting promoted and keeping the club in the PL for two season - and move on - enjoy the ride with Potter. Instead we have this repeated nonsense of comparing this season and last - its like trying to compare marmite with bovril.

And, again, you fail to give ANY credit to TB... you are a clown...

 

[dazzer6666]

And, again, you fail to give ANY credit to TB... you are a clown...

Because Tony sacked him/his idol/dad/whatever he is......

 

[drew]

You seem very keen to curtail any credit to Hughton with some of your comments.

There is literally no evidence to suggest it would have happened, because we’d failed previously and in fact went backwards under Hyypia.

Poyet certainly wasn’t a bad manager, even Garcia (not my cup of tea), made the play-off’s.

We might have made it, we might not of......... Derby?

Weren’t we becoming known as Club Infrastructure?

Hughton wasn’t the only reason, but the facts in terms of what we achieved would suggest he was the main one.




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This will just come down to opinions but whilst important, CH was not the main one in my view. That will be the chairman and what was being done to provide the infrastructure to support promotion bids and beyond. CH isn't the only manager ever to get teams promoted from the championship which is why I would put him second in importance to Bloom.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

This will just come down to opinions but whilst important, CH was not the main one in my view. That will be the chairman and what was being done to provide the infrastructure to support promotion bids and beyond. CH isn't the only manager ever to get teams promoted from the championship which is why I would put him second in importance to Bloom.

Last time I looked although Bloom provided the infrstructure for the club to succeed, he had very little to do with team selection and tactics, whereas those previous managers did...... To say we would have achieved it eventually just cannot be substantiated.

We could be still in the championship, depending on Bloom bailing us out, instead we are now in the PL (which is down to Hughton)...................





depending on Bloom bailing us out........

By selecting Hughton as manager Bloom clearly made a good decision, as he seems to have done with Potter.

 

[Postman Pat]

Better against Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs, for a start.

And Bournemouth.....

 

[Live by the sea]

With respect a dose of reality is needed. Without Tony’s financial backing , we would probably be a league 2 side at best struggling to stay in the football league. CH was a cog in the wheel . Without the infrastructure in place, very hard for any manager to get a club promoted.

We have a top ground, training academy, top ceo , board that cares about the clubs best interests and a very generous benefactor that understands football in detail. We also had a decent manager and know have in my view an upgrade on manager with GP.

We are in dreamland playing in the PL all down to TB. Period.

 

[rogersix]

It was actually - you need to go back and read several of the previous posts



Oh - holy bejaysus - look - if Hughton was never manager, Brighton could well have won promotion - the could even have stayed in the PL for 3 or more years. But all of that is supposition. Hughton took over the club at the bottom of the Championship, got the club promoted and kept the club in the PL for two years. Was he the only one responsible for that - no - the club had to by players, the players had to perform, and the fans played their part as well. Hughton was the first manager since 1979 to take the club into the top division - why not celebrate his achievement as manager, getting promoted and keeping the club in the PL for two season - and move on - enjoy the ride with Potter. Instead we have this repeated nonsense of comparing this season and last - its like trying to compare marmite with bovril.

in the one paragraph you've stated there were several factors (somehow skipping TB's vision); and then go on to refer to CH saying that it "his achievement"

there's something not quite right with you....... on the inside

 

[rogersix]

You seem very keen to curtail any credit to Hughton with some of your comments.

There is literally no evidence to suggest it would have happened, because we’d failed previously and in fact went backwards under Hyypia.

Poyet certainly wasn’t a bad manager, even Garcia (not my cup of tea), made the play-off’s.

We might have made it, we might not of......... Derby?

Weren’t we becoming known as Club Infrastructure?

Hughton wasn’t the only reason, but the facts in terms of what we achieved would suggest he was the main one.

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no question, it was undoubtably mr bloom

 

[drew]

Last time I looked although Bloom provided the infrstructure for the club to succeed, he had very little to do with team selection and tactics, whereas those previous managers did...... To say we would have achieved it eventually just cannot be substantiated.

We could be still in the championship, depending on Bloom bailing us out, instead we are now in the PL (which is down to Hughton)...................





depending on Bloom bailing us out........

By selecting Hughton as manager Bloom clearly made a good decision, as he seems to have done with Potter.

He doesn't pick team and tactics but he does supply that team, ie the players. Hughton was provided with the tools to get us promoted and he achieved that but history also shows he isn't the only manager capable of getting a team promoted!!

Also, to say that we wouldn't have achieved promotion also cannot be substantiated.

Like I said, it's opinions, mine will be that Bloom was more important and others will put it all down to Hughton. Not sure either side will convince the other to change their mind.

 

[CaptainDaveUK]

After 62 pages, would it be possible for the OP to write a couple of lines simply conceding that we are, in actual fact, marginally better after all. #together.