[Politics] The General Election Thread

[lawros left foot]

Was that from the film?

No, I don’t know if Johnson has lied about being in the film as well as all his myriad of other lies, but, he definitely wasn’t.

It’s a parody of a Tory advert on the inter web.

 

[Is it PotG?]

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Boris had to hide in a fridge so he didnt have to give an interview ffs

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[Kinky Gerbil]

What time tomorrow will Jezza resign?

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

It really isn't. But Kyle perfectly fits this community, which is why you don't understand it. Young familes, many with jobs in the arts, education or tech but many with only one bread winner. Also a lot of manual workers and van men in Portslade.

So working class people

Socially VERY liberal. A lot of gay female couples in Portslade but not the sort who turn everything in to a committee.

With some trendy middle class

A real mixture of hipster pubs and bars and charity shops,

Trendy middle class with a bit of a conscience

uber expensive houses, affordable family houses, council estates (or rather former council estates) and quite a lot of flats and bedsits.

A significant economic and social divide

Age wise lots of people in their 30s - 50s (back when I was growing up Hove was full of old dears and dogshit which is why it always returned a Tory).

In Ireland people in their 30s-50s are called - the working poor

A dyed in the wool young angry socialist would die on their arse here, as would a bigot (and there are plenty of them in Momentum).

Again - if you haven't noticed - I have very little time for Momentum - which, in fact is full of trendy liberals

I've noticed you have a lot of saying for things in Ireland and most of them are bollocks - I've based this on a three month project in Dublin and a sales trip to Galway.

You will have to try harder.

I do get it that some people regard Kyle as a 'good' MP - and if you are socially a trendy liberal and an economic Tory - then Kyle would have a certain appeal. That does not exclude the fact that Kyle is a careerist politician who is in politics for what he can get out of it - the social/community work he engages in is a necessary evil from his perspective to shore up his vote - but when push comes to shove he will support neo-liberal pro-EU austerity and won't care about the consequences. What he is not is a 'labour' candidate - he is a pale pink Tory masquerading as some sort of 'centre-left' trendy liberal.

 

[Bold Seagull]

...

The billionaires donation money is certainly being well spent. I'm sure they've got your back.

 

[A1X]

Tory Britain in four news articles

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

No, i want a different kind of brexit, not this extreme thing that boris is forcing on us, and I also recognise that there is way more at stake in our country than just trading relations

what you want and what you'll get will be a result of Democracy
regards
DF

 

[Bold Seagull]

I do get it that some people regard Kyle as a 'good' MP - and if you are socially a trendy liberal and an economic Tory - then Kyle would have a certain appeal. That does not exclude the fact that Kyle is a careerist politician who is in politics for what he can get out of it - the social/community work he engages in is a necessary evil from his perspective to shore up his vote - but when push comes to shove he will support neo-liberal pro-EU austerity and won't care about the consequences. What he is not is a 'labour' candidate - he is a pale pink Tory masquerading as some sort of 'centre-left' trendy liberal.

Well, he's not a careerist given he didn't stand for election either as an MP or councillor before 2015. He's volunteered for positions as governor of schools and I believe he is still chair of governors at BACA. He was a governor long before he was a politician. Before his careerist entry into politics at the age of 43, he worked in the charity sector. He left school with no qualifications but went back and did his GSCEs as an adult, and went onto higher education. Not sure where you're getting your misplaced info. on Peter. I've met him a few times, and as an approachable bloke after the election I would suggest you go and meet him and see if the man you meet curtails with this fixed opinion you have on him. Labour Party members and representatives are entitled to hold differing views without being called pink Tories. It's views like this give Labour a bad name in all honesty. We're fighting an election and we have so called Labour people throwing dirt at each other.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

just remember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk


regards
DF

 

[Bold Seagull]

what you want and what you'll get will be a result of Democracy
regards
DF

This is perhaps the single most sensible thing you have ever said. Wow. I had to check it wasn't the parody account for a second.

 

[Guinness Boy]

So working class people


With some trendy middle class


Trendy middle class with a bit of a conscience


A significant economic and social divide


In Ireland people in their 30s-50s are called - the working poor


Again - if you haven't noticed - I have very little time for Momentum - which, in fact is full of trendy liberals


You will have to try harder.

I do get it that some people regard Kyle as a 'good' MP - and if you are socially a trendy liberal and an economic Tory - then Kyle would have a certain appeal. That does not exclude the fact that Kyle is a careerist politician who is in politics for what he can get out of it - the social/community work he engages in is a necessary evil from his perspective to shore up his vote - but when push comes to shove he will support neo-liberal pro-EU austerity and won't care about the consequences. What he is not is a 'labour' candidate - he is a pale pink Tory masquerading as some sort of 'centre-left' trendy liberal.

Lots of passive/aggressive insults and generalisations there. I thought you knew and understood the constituency? By those replies it's almost like that's the first time you've considered those things.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

what you want and what you'll get will be a result of Democracy
regards
DF

Can't really disagree with that.

Although of course if Boris wins with 45% of the vote, well that would sum up the state of our Democracy. But we shall see.

 

[Bozza]

Well, he's not a careerist given he didn't stand for election either as an MP or councillor before 2015. He's volunteered for positions as governor of schools and I believe he is still chair of governors at BACA. He was a governor long before he was a politician. Before his careerist entry into politics at the age of 43, he worked in the charity sector. He left school with no qualifications but went back and did his GSCEs as an adult, and went onto higher education. Not sure where you're getting your misplaced info. on Peter. I've met him a few times, and as an approachable bloke after the election I would suggest you go and meet him and see if the man you meet curtails with this fixed opinion you have on him. Labour Party members and representatives are entitled to hold differing views without being called pink Tories. It's views like this give Labour a bad name in all honesty. We're fighting an election and we have so called Labour people throwing dirt at each other.

The likes of [MENTION=1416]Ernest[/MENTION] were throwing dirt at Kyle long before the election.

 

[schmunk]

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This doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[CHAPPERS]

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Vote them out.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Going back to your previous post, the local Labour Party didn't want to get rid of him and actually his campaign has been well manned by a large number of local labour party members. He was under the rules of the party required to have a vote to endorse him as a sitting candidate (not deselection) which had he not got 2/3rds of the local groups support, he would have then faced a reselection. That vote didn't take place and so this media narrative that the local labour party wanted rid of him is false, and the support he's been getting pretty much proves that.

Because of the fact that the vote was never taken - we do not know whether the local LP membership support his candidacy or not. The Blairite LP HQ suspended the B&H LP after Kyle's cronies were defeated in officer elections (by a vote of 2-1 margin) - and the LP HQ then expelled a lot of the membership reinforcing the anti-democratic 'Progress' clique around Kyle. This clearly demonstrates that a significant number of LP members were opposed to him standing again as a LP candidate.

Many local LP members will continue to canvass for him even if they wanted him out, in order to maximise the LP vote and the number of LP MPs returned - and those that canvassed for him while holding their noses are only too well aware that Kyle will shaft the LP if it suits his interests to do so.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

[tweet]1204728905766227969[/tweet]

Vote them out.

dry your eyes son
regards
DF

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Lots of passive/aggressive insults and generalisations there. I thought you knew and understood the constituency? By those replies it's almost like that's the first time you've considered those things.

No insults - passive/aggressive or otherwise - it was a summation of your outline

and I never claimed that I 'knew or understood the constituency' - I said I know and understand elections and electoral processes.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Because of the fact that the vote was never taken - we do not know whether the local LP membership support his candidacy or not. The Blairite LP HQ suspended the B&H LP after Kyle's cronies were defeated in officer elections (by a vote of 2-1 margin) - and the LP HQ then expelled a lot of the membership reinforcing the anti-democratic 'Progress' clique around Kyle. This clearly demonstrates that a significant number of LP members were opposed to him standing again as a LP candidate.

Many local LP members will continue to canvass for him even if they wanted him out, in order to maximise the LP vote and the number of LP MPs returned - and those that canvassed for him while holding their noses are only too well aware that Kyle will shaft the LP if it suits his interests to do so.

Shite like this is exactly why Boris will win tomorrow. But then you won't have to put up with that in Tipperary or wherever the **** you are so you can carry on sitting in your ivory tower pontificating about things you know feck all about and boring NSC to death, while our country goes through a painful No Deal Brexit and loses its NHS. Brilliant. Thanks.