[Politics] Brexit

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I've always found your exchanges with the Footy Genius so admirable on this thread. That you're always able to listen and then converse, sympathetically without prejudice, to someone so obviously less intelligent and far more bigoted than you is truly remarkable.

Too late. The stamina of the week prize has already been awarded.

Mind you, it is a toss up....responding gently to relentless posts month after month by a certifiable bigoted halfwit, versus responding (etc.) to rentless posts month after month by snidey reject* from Saatchi and Saatchi's 'Vote Tory is the only answer to any question' labotomy experiments, of the 1980s.

Tough call.

Sadly I can't help any further owing to the usual reasons.....which I could reiterate....if only for the comedy value of Frenzy it would provoke

*No experimentation required

 

[Deleted member 2719]

You’re allowed to answer the door?!

Generally, Lurch does that job.

....and what are you able to say about democracy Mouldy? That it ended on June 23rd 2016?
The leave vote is split between those who want a deal and those who don't (or don't care), so there is a fair chance that the majority favoured single option is Remain.

Testing that with a confirmatory vote would be a democratic act.

But I suspect that is not what you want to hear and as you are easily reduced to threats and crudities, Chuka Umunna (the correct spelling) would be unlikely to get any reasoned debate out of you.....

Regards Revoke, the Libdems are offering to implement that option in the admittedly unlikely event that they win the next election. Revoke is an option that a substantial number of people would now prefer. It is a democratic choice and the Libdems are offering it.

Wakey, wake, Lever there was just two options leave or Remain, still trying to cheat the people with Chukka. That right he changed his spelling, the guy can't make his mind up, like Swinson saying she would honour the original referendum.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

So lets take your 'theory' a little further. I support leaving the EU, so does Farage thus making me a racist because you believe Farage is a racist. Well Plooks, I agree with your view of the VAR penalty yesterday. So you share a same view with me - and according to you I'm a racist. So that makes YOU a racist. Welcome to the club you racist.

Sadly the Brexit arguments are now so detached from reason and logic that almost any inference is possible.

Here, didn't you kill my brother?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXEXO1YHpmQ

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I for one am looking forward to the constructive conversation when the local lib candidate knocks on my door and says “ hello,I represent the f#ck people`s votes party,”

They will probably be shocked that anyone might be vaguely annoyed/angry at a supposedly mainstream, supposedly democratic party wanting to ignore the democratic majority voice of 17.4 million voters. Playing fast and loose with UK democratic norms has consequences ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-violence-against-mps-price-worth-paying-to-get-brexit-result/

 

[Hampster Gull]

They will probably be shocked that anyone might be vaguely annoyed/angry at a supposedly mainstream, supposedly democratic party wanting to ignore the democratic majority voice of 17.4 million voters. Playing fast and loose with UK democratic norms has consequences ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-violence-against-mps-price-worth-paying-to-get-brexit-result/

School boy stuff and it’s great that we have a party calling out all the lies and deceit from brexiteer loonies. Have you set up barricades yet? Road checks? Petrol bombs? Contract killing website pages?

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

They will probably be shocked that anyone might be vaguely annoyed/angry at a supposedly mainstream, supposedly democratic party wanting to ignore the democratic majority voice of 17.4 million voters. Playing fast and loose with UK democratic norms has consequences ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-violence-against-mps-price-worth-paying-to-get-brexit-result/

In reference to your link. Does this mean that you advocate violence towards MPs?

 

[The Clamp]

They will probably be shocked that anyone might be vaguely annoyed/angry at a supposedly mainstream, supposedly democratic party wanting to ignore the democratic majority voice of 17.4 million voters. Playing fast and loose with UK democratic norms has consequences ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-violence-against-mps-price-worth-paying-to-get-brexit-result/

As Boris Johnson and the rest of the leave mob are finding out. But you seriously think the 2016 referendum was a democratic norm? That's ****ed up.

 

[Klaas]

Yes we are going to Leave the EU. Its what was voted for after all.
No need for you to continue to be a racist f###wit

I’m not

A selection of your work;

Yes we are going to Leave the EU. Its what was voted for after all.
No need for you to continue to be a racist f###wit

Cheerio then racist


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but predictably you're going to say something along the lines of 'It's hardly "everyone" is it?'

Tell me though, what is it that you find so funny about racism/nazis? Genuine question, seems a bit odd.

 

[Lever]

Generally, Lurch does that job.



Wakey, wake, Lever there was just two options leave or Remain, still trying to cheat the people with Chukka. That right he changed his spelling, the guy can't make his mind up, like Swinson saying she would honour the original referendum.

Your logic is typically feeble Mouldy
The original referendum did not specify whether we would be:-
'Leaving with a deal',
'Leaving without a Deal',
or 'Either of the above'.
There is no mandate for any of those single choices - which is why Cameron's Referendum is such a complete c0ckup in terms of the implementation of anything.

MPs (particularly Tories) have changed their minds in droves since 2016 and always seem keen to tell us about it to win support for their new position.
They have voted many times on Brexit.
Whereas.....
The voting public (including hundreds of thousands of 'new' voters) are effectively being told by a loud mouthed, bigoted minority of Leavers who don't care how we leave, that democracy means imposing what ultimately a minority voted for, under the guise of democracy!

In one sweep it denies:
new voters who will be longest affected by the decision;
people who have changed their mind over the past three and a half years
a huge number of people who voted to Remain
- any future say; that is not democracy in action. It's rubbish.

Before replying or making silly comments about individual politicians you dislike, just reflect for a while. You can do it if you try.

 

[Klaas]

Before replying or making silly comments about individual politicians you dislike, just reflect for a while. You can do it if you try.

Daftest post I've read on here.

 

[Klaas]

one fine chap gave them a mouth full.

Charming.

You never did tell me what you thought of these patriotic flag wavers at the Brexit march? Presumably lots of fine chaps there?

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[Westdene Seagull]

Not sure I see how VAR has anything to do with this. Keep football out of this one.
Also if you read what I said I did not say supporting leave makes you racist. It could, OR a racist sympathiser OR duped/ignorant.

You've clearly missed the point entirely then ( not unusual for you ). It was YOU that suggested that because people share the same point of view on a single subject that linked them as supporting that other persons view on EVERYTHING. The example you've used is that because I support leaving the EU and so does Farage, and in your view Farage is racist, then I'm a racist ( or now possibly a racist sympathiser - an additional option on your previous two ! ). So, and I'm disgusted with myself for this, using your logic me agreeing with YOU about VAR and the penalty at the weekend means you agree with all my views. Just because I support Brexit doesn't make me a racist nor a racist sympathiser nor have I been duped nor am I ignorant ( it would actually appear I'm better educated than you ! ).

So for the avoidance of doubt :

1. I'm not racist
2. I'm not a racist sympathiser
3. I wasn't duped - I supported James' Goldsmith's Referendum Party long before the likes of Farage came along …. possibly before you were even born. I wanted us out of the EU long before this referendum.
4. I'm not ignorant - I'm well educated, I own my own home ( well the bank do ) and I have a well paid job.

So that somewhat shoots down all your stereotype pathetic posts doesn't it !

You really shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush just because you don't agree with them. Maybe take a leaf out of the book of SOME remainers on this thread and post a coherent argument rather than going around calling every leave supporter racist, a racist sympathiser, duped or ignorant. It only makes you look very very stupid.

 

[pastafarian]

but predictably you're going to say something along the lines of 'It's hardly "everyone" is it?'
.

Well it isn’t everyone, glad you agree with me on that and have realised your initial error.

Tell me though, what is it that you find so funny about racism/nazis? Genuine question, seems a bit odd.

That is nothing I have said. You clearly have the wrong poster if not the wrong forum entirely.

 

[Klaas]

Well it isn’t everyone, glad you agree with me on that and have realised your initial error.

Infantile. Expected, carry on.

That is nothing I have said. You clearly have the wrong poster if not the wrong forum entirely.

What's with the gammon racist bullsh*t then? No serious person would entertain such nonsense.

And then, I was looking through the Trump thread earlier;

[MENTION=277]looney[/MENTION]
Dont let your memes be dreams!

Free kekistan

 

[Mo Gosfield]

As Boris Johnson and the rest of the leave mob are finding out. But you seriously think the 2016 referendum was a democratic norm? That's ****ed up.

There is no such thing as a democratic norm.
The standard ' first past the post ' electoral system we have is designed to favour the two main parties. Its not democratic and it doesn't reflect on how people vote throughout the UK. The 2016 referendum could not be, by definition, a democratic vote because it was a binary vote, a clear, black and white choice and even a single vote majority was enough. It wasn't a vote that was tolerant of the minority. It was a winner take all scenario, with no going back.
Democracy should involve favouring social equality and tolerating minority views ( OED ) Something we singularly fail to practise in this country.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Your logic is typically feeble Mouldy
The original referendum did not specify whether we would be:-
'Leaving with a deal',
'Leaving without a Deal',
or 'Either of the above'.
There is no mandate for any of those single choices - which is why Cameron's Referendum is such a complete c0ckup in terms of the implementation of anything.

MPs (particularly Tories) have changed their minds in droves since 2016 and always seem keen to tell us about it to win support for their new position.
They have voted many times on Brexit.
Whereas.....
The voting public (including hundreds of thousands of 'new' voters) are effectively being told by a loud mouthed, bigoted minority of Leavers who don't care how we leave, that democracy means imposing what ultimately a minority voted for, under the guise of democracy!

In one sweep it denies:
new voters who will be longest affected by the decision;
people who have changed their mind over the past three and a half years
a huge number of people who voted to Remain
- any future say; that is not democracy in action. It's rubbish.

Before replying or making silly comments about individual politicians you dislike, just reflect for a while. You can do it if you try.

Yep, got it...I have reflected for a while and still feel you are a man that hides behind his main identity on NSC, when sadly you go shouting about that you have me on ignore, your obsession of me Harry is remarkable if not a little bit creepy.

Your talking piffle again, I think we all know what democracy means.



Basically, you don't like it up yer.

 

[Baldseagull]

Well it isn’t everyone, glad you agree with me on that and have realised your initial error.




That is nothing I have said. You clearly have the wrong poster if not the wrong forum entirely.

It is this pomposity with which you post that makes it really hard to believe your bookmarks were a self deprecating joke.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It is this pomposity with which you post that makes it really hard to believe your bookmarks were a self deprecating joke.

It was the disappearing for weeks immediately after it was pointed out that convinced me

 

[Lever]

Yep, got it...I have reflected for a while and still feel you are a man that hides behind his main identity on NSC, when sadly you go shouting about that you have me on ignore, your obsession of me Harry is remarkable if not a little bit creepy.

Your talking piffle again, I think we all know what democracy means.



Basically, you don't like it up yer.

Reduced so quickly to facile personalising of political debate? I assumed that would happen.....

You're = You are....

Reflect some more or stick to your crude innuendos, copied slogans, found quotations, beloved emoticons and eighties youtube pop songs; best if you stay in your comfort zone - you are completely bereft outside it.

 

[KZNSeagull]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50205603

The EU has agreed to extend Brexit until 31 January 2020, according to a tweet from the European Council president.

Donald Tusk said the bloc would allow for a so-called "flextension" - meaning the UK could leave before the deadline if a deal was approved by Parliament.

It comes as MPs prepare to vote on proposals by Boris Johnson for an early general election on 12 December.

The SNP and Lib Dems have also proposed an election on 9 December.

The draft text of an agreement for the 27 EU ambassadors - seen by the BBC - also included a commitment that the Withdrawal Agreement on the UK's exit from the EU cannot be renegotiated in future.

The UK was due to leave the EU on Thursday, but Prime Minister Boris Johnson must accept the delay under a law passed last month by MPs.