[Politics] Brexit

[Westdene Seagull]

They are a dominant force now ? What a bit like Britain, Italy, Spain, Poland and the Netherlands are all dominant forces within the EU ?

I thought yesterday someone said that they had an alliance that dominated the EU's future direction, prioritising an even closer union and their interests over other members ?



You forgot to point out that the rest of the EU collectively, and lots of members individually have the power to stop any of this happening at any time. Even your buddy [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] had already pointed out Britain's veto on any closer union. The only problem is that he trusts the British government less than the EU



Maybe you could just have a chat between you and agree what it is about Brexit you don't like before you start contradicting one another on here.

Or maybe just carry on ignoring any facts that get in the way of your 'Franco-German alliance taking over the EU' fantasy. (I'll file it alongside your 'the EU should take out the backstop' negotiated solution fantasy)


P.S.




Don't understand that at all, I'm assuming it's some sort of insult, but I'll see if my kids can explain it to me when they are next in

You really need to stop putting words in peoples mouths - most your statements in this post are utterly untrue.

For starters JC and I have not contricted each other and secondly I have never said I trust the British government less than the EU - unless of course you can use those special search powers you seem to have and find me saying that ? Of course you can't - it's just in that muddled head of yours - maybe it's that old age of yours finally taking it's toll. Next you'll be deluded enough to believe that you have some incrediable insight to how WTO and government works just becuase you once ran a company with probably about a dozen employees that happened to supply paperclips to the local council.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

'The shock survey found 54% of people agree that the Prime Minister'

Lie- the figure was 44%

Poll question was: 'Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it'

The question makes reference to MPs trying to stop BREXIT and not MPs trying to prevent 'no deal'. It is skewed in such away as to get full support from 'leavers' in the belief that by not halting parliament BREXIT will collapse.

Also-why is Johnson referred to as 'Boris' ?

So we have another example of why no newspaper, on either side, can be trusted to deliver a fair and accurate analysis.

Interestingly, a more accurately constructed poll in June maintained that there were 2-1 against a 'no deal' BREXIT. Not against BREXIT itself, just 'no deal'.

One of the many things about Johnson that pisses me off is how the brand 'Boris' has caught on. I've even heard on BBC R5 headlines (yes folks that's the pinko -liberal BBC) which is at its best sloppy journalism and at its worst outright bias. And as for that question, it is a shocker - a poor undergraduate would do better. The use of the word 'needs' implies that it is some sort of imperative for the country. It isn't; it's a hugely congested proposition. As a counter-balance you might as well have 'Johnson is scheming to to impoverish the country by...………...'

There, I feel better now.

 

[vegster]

The UK has 73 MEPs out of 750. That is almost a tenth of all the MEPs in the EU Parliament, made up of MEPs from 28 different countries. Only fools think the UK isn't a dominant force within the EU.

Unfortunately, 29 of those UK MEP's are Brexit Party members therefore they don't contribute to debate on principle.

 

[melias shoes]

The UK has 73 MEPs out of 750. That is almost a tenth of all the MEPs in the EU Parliament, made up of MEPs from 28 different countries. Only fools think the UK isn't a dominant force within the EU.

Germany has 96. Dominant force.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Germany has 96. Dominant force.

23 more MEPs don't force the UK to do anything when we have a veto.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Unfortunately, 29 of those UK MEP's are Brexit Party members therefore they don't contribute to debate on principle.

They're just lazy and taking money for nothing. Farage went to one meeting out of 42 in the Fisheries section. Fraudsters.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/othe...2-80-93-but-it-doesnt-quite-add-up/ar-AAFKkQX

A poll suggesting that the majority of Britons support suspending Parliament in order to force through a no-deal Brexit has been criticised for being misleading.

But Will Jennings, a politics professor at the University of Southampton, argued that the "utterly dire" questions in the survey could be considered highly leading.

The survey question was: "Do you agree or disagree with the following statements? Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it."

Prof Jennings noted that, not only does the survey informally - and somewhat strangely - refer to the Prime Minister simply as "Boris", but it does not note that some MP want to extend Article 50 rather than to block Brexit altogether.

Why is this dire? Aside from excluding "don't knows" and then misleadingly reporting as a percentage of 'the British public' ��, there is *way too much* going on in the survey question and it is leading as well ��https://t.co/bcxVyt5u8s

— Will Jennings (@drjennings) August 12, 2019
The suggestion that more than half of those asked believe the statement is correct is also misleading as the newspaper appears to have ignored almost 20 per cent who answered "don't know" to the question, and simply used the yes and no responses to create its results instead.

The ComRes poll actually showed that 44 per cent of respondents said they agreed with the statement, with 37 per cent saying they were against it and 19 per cent saying they don't know.



— Mike Smithson (@MSmithsonPB) August 12, 2019
Liberal Democrat blogger Mark Pack wrote a complaint to newspaper regulator Ipso claiming The Telegraph has manipulated the stats of the ComRes survey in the story published on its front page.

Blah blah blah get in touch with the real world ,the public have had enough of stalling MP's pushing their agendas and ignoring the electorate ,and they wonder why the get abuse Times up leave means leave
regards
DR

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Blah blah blah get in touch with the real world ,the public have had enough of stalling MP's pushing their agendas and ignoring the electorate ,and they wonder why the get abuse Times up leave means leave

Matt Hancock (Health Secretary) - We cannot guarantee that people will not die as a result of a No Deal Brexit.

I honestly hope it doesn't happen to someone you know.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Amber Rudd is a proper Tory isn’t she. What a disgusting about turn she’s performed.

 

[melias shoes]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49337343
Don't you you dare ignore parliament but we'll bloody well ignore the referendum result. Hypocrite.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The EU has 3 dominant countries, UK, France and Germany.Why is it that Leavers think we can't have any influence in the EU, because the French and the Germans are too powerful, but we are going to be getting the deals we want dealing with the US, China and India?

Strawmantastic... Do leavers really think we can't have any influence because the French and Germans are too powerful ... Or do they know that we don't have enough influence to steer the EU train onto a track more to our liking? Btw a lot of remainers know this as well but they live in constant hope of a unicorn membership, a 'sunny uplands' vision if you will, where the UK is at the heart of Europe where the forces of federalism are in retreat/vanquished (delusional).

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The UK has 73 MEPs out of 750. That is almost a tenth of all the MEPs in the EU Parliament, made up of MEPs from 28 different countries. Only fools think the UK isn't a dominant force within the EU.

Only a fool would think to have less than 10% of MEP's spread across numerous parties and the largest single group being anti-Eu gets you any dominance within the EU.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

They are a dominant force now ? What a bit like Britain, Italy, Spain, Poland and the Netherlands are all dominant forces within the EU ?

I thought yesterday someone said that they had an alliance that dominated the EU's future direction, prioritising an even closer union and their interests over other members ?



You forgot to point out that the rest of the EU collectively, and lots of members individually have the power to stop any of this happening at any time. Even your buddy [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] had already pointed out Britain's veto on any closer union. The only problem is that he trusts the British government less than the EU



Maybe you could just have a chat between you and agree what it is about Brexit you don't like before you start contradicting one another on here.

Or maybe just carry on ignoring any facts that get in the way of your 'Franco-German alliance taking over the EU' fantasy. (I'll file it alongside your 'the EU should take out the backstop' negotiated solution fantasy)


P.S.




Don't understand that at all, I'm assuming it's some sort of insult, but I'll see if my kids can explain it to me when they are next in

Good grief, you never know when to stop digging that hole, do you?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Only a fool would think to have less than 10% of MEP's spread across numerous parties and the largest single group being anti-Eu gets you any dominance within the EU.

Exactly right. No one country has dominance in the European Parliament. What actually happens is that Greens from all the countries tend to stick together, Demcrats and like minded MEPs tend to vote together. Nobody votes with the Brexit lot or with UKIP.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Exactly right. No one country has dominance in the European Parliament. What actually happens is that Greens from all the countries tend to stick together, Demcrats and like minded MEPs tend to vote together. Nobody votes with the Brexit lot or with UKIP.

Erm ... Why did you use the MEP example in conjunction with UK dominance then?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Matt Hancock (Health Secretary) - We cannot guarantee that people will not die as a result of a No Deal Brexit.

I honestly hope it doesn't happen to someone you know.

If Corbyn gets in we will all die.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If Corbyn gets in we will all die.

I don't like Jeremy Corbyn but that is a very silly thing to say.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Erm ... Why did you use the MEP example in conjunction with UK dominance then?

Read it again.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Read it again.

I have .. care to answer my question?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I have .. care to answer my question?

I would if I could understand what you are trying to get at.