[Football] Another VAR Thread

[Triggaaar]

Knowing how we analyse every bit of data I’m sure this would have been part of the weighing up process over GP v CH.

I doubt it.

 

[Curious Orange]

I suspect we are going to see large numbers retaken this season due to either the keeper moving and/or player encroachment (which has rarely ever been punished before, and apparently is going to be looked at by VAR upon each penalty given).

The only time I can ever remember seeing a penalty re-taken for encroachment was in a game against Manchester City at the Goldstone, it was the only time Alan Curbishley missed a penalty for us - he didn't miss the re-take though.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

One thing I'd like clarified however is this. Encroachment. If the defending players encroach and the attacker fails to score then the pen is retaken. If the attacking players encroach I don't ever recall the ref signaling for a free kick on the edge of the area to the defending team. Why not? I have a feeling that if the attacking team encroaches and the pen is scored then it is retaken. That doesn't seem right....

Encroachment is only acted upon if only one team are guilty of it. In almost all cases, players from BOTH teams have encroached so the ref adjudges it 'neutral'. It doesn't matter how FAR in the box they are, either - just that they are.

 

[Curious Orange]

VAR not going to be used for encroachment or making sure the keeper stays on their line.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48703852

... phew!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

VAR not going to be used for encroachment or making sure the keeper stays on their line.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48703852

... phew!

So the women's WC has been a laboratory experiment rather like ones on golden goals etc. in the past in mens' tournaments.

This is how Platini and pals justify the mouth-watering salary I suppose.

 

[Easy 10]

I'm loving that VAR is being used differently all over the shop.

Inadvertent handball in Womens World Cup = penalty. Inadvertent handball in the Copa = no penalty.
Keeper moves off line in Womens World Cup = penalty retaken. Keeper moves off line in Premier League = no retake.

Lovely stuff. Good to know where we all stand (and if we can move).

 

[Is it PotG?]

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Easy to persuade players not to encroach on a penalty - yellow card for every player who does.
Same for the keeper, first offence yellow, do it again on the retake then hand the gloves to a chum as you make your way back to the dressing room.
Law abiding team-mates will turn on their own cheating team mates - like the chumps who still remove their shirt when they score ...

Discipline will only come with punishment.

Bit like speed cameras - now you know you will be caught and punished so many more don't offend ....

 

[Guinness Boy]

I doubt it.

Well, with that level of detail in your reply it’s hard to know why you think that but I think you’re wrong. Remember I didn’t say it was the only reason as that would be silly. Merely that we would have analysed it.

We’ve known for a while that VAR is coming in so if we’ve NOT analysed trends in the number of penalties to shots / crosses or if we’ve not done video analysis on Dunk and Duffy’s blocks then I’d say we’ve been remiss. Given how much TB loves and trusts data I’d like to think this has been done.

While (for me), the last 5 months of last season, a desire to use more youth, a desire (maybe Ashworth driven) to attack more and play out from the back are more important it absolutely stands to reason that under VAR, the more time you spend in your opponents area and the less in your own, the better your chances of getting penalties and not conceding them. VAR is not defensive football’s friend.


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[BensGrandad]

Just been announced that VAR will NOT be used to determine if a goalkeeper is in front of the line only to determine the actual penalty or not.

 

[Gwylan]

The only time I can ever remember seeing a penalty re-taken for encroachment was in a game against Manchester City at the Goldstone, it was the only time Alan Curbishley missed a penalty for us - he didn't miss the re-take though.

Ah, you weren't around for infamous FA Cup match against Palace - the Challis match. There's a game that still raises hackles 43 years later

 

[Easy 10]

Watching the Holland v Canada game, and there's a 1st minute penalty awarded to Canada. The ball is on the spot, but then before its taken, there's a VAR review which eventually decides its a free kick outside the box.

I timed it. From the ref blowing for the pen, the whole review taking place, and the free kick being taken took 3mins 51 secs. Basically then, a 4 minute stoppage.

Lets see how much they add on at the end.

 

[AZ Gull]

Keepers need to adjust what they do (I'm a keeper and can see it is going to be really difficult, but they'll learn).
In terms of the encroachment, if we concede a penalty, it needs to be utterly drilled into our players NOT to step an inch into the box as it is taken. The other team WILL encroach, and any scored penalty will have to be retaken.

I don't think this is true. On Fox Sports' coverage of the Women's World Cup they have a FIFA referee as part of their coverage and she said the other day that encroachment will only be penalised if the player(s) concerned become active in the play. This also seems to be confirmed by the BBC article highlighted elsewhere on this thread:-

What are the new rules?

The goalkeeper must have one of his/her feet partly on the goalline (or above it if jumping) when the kick is taken. They cannot stand behind or in front of the line.

The VAR can only penalise "encroachment by an attacker or defender who becomes directly involved in play if the penalty kick rebounds from the goalpost, crossbar or goalkeeper".

 

[Hugo Rune]

Just been announced that VAR will NOT be used to determine if a goalkeeper is in front of the line only to determine the actual penalty or not.

An absolutely shocking outbreak of common sense!

 

[Brok]

Attackers scooping the ball onto the arm of the defender in the box will, I think, become a deliberate tactic. I've lost count of the number of penalties being awarded now for totally inadvertent handballs. If the ball touches any part of the arm, or is deflected onto it, then 9 times out of 10 its being given now regardless of how far its travelled. Now that they've removed the "intent" aspect, its open season.

If VAR is applied the way it is being used in this World Cup, the way Dunk and Duffy defend with their bollocks, we are going to concede shedloads.

Yeah, but Murray scores with his cock?

 

[amexer]

An absolutely shocking outbreak of common sense!

Dont think they wanted to see 16-15 penalty shoot outs. Now wait for hand ball change when there are too many penalties

 

[Easy 10]

Watching the Holland v Canada game, and there's a 1st minute penalty awarded to Canada. The ball is on the spot, but then before its taken, there's a VAR review which eventually decides its a free kick outside the box.

I timed it. From the ref blowing for the pen, the whole review taking place, and the free kick being taken took 3mins 51 secs. Basically then, a 4 minute stoppage.

Lets see how much they add on at the end.

3 minutes stoppage time added on.

The VAR stoppage at the start of the game took 4 minutes alone. There's been a couple of bookings, another free kick with a wall setup that took about a minute. I'd say we lost at least 6 minutes there, but only 3 given.

Longer games then, but shorter gametime.

 

[Deadly Danson]

3 minutes stoppage time added on.

The VAR stoppage at the start of the game took 4 minutes alone. There's been a couple of bookings, another free kick with a wall setup that took about a minute. I'd say we lost at least 6 minutes there, but only 3 given.

Longer games then, but shorter gametime.

I've said it many times on here - keeping time is the one bloody thing that is dead easy for refs. Whilst everything else is more or less subjective, ALL they have to do is stop their watch and start it again with any breaks in play. It really is no more complicated than that and I will never understand how they find it so difficult. Especially with the 4th official to help if they need it.

 

[Easy 10]

I've said it many times on here - keeping time is the one bloody thing that is dead easy for refs. Whilst everything else is more or less subjective, ALL they have to do is stop their watch and start it again with any breaks in play. It really is no more complicated than that and I will never understand how they find it so difficult. Especially with the 4th official to help if they need it.

I'm starting to think its deliberate, because the amount of delays VAR is causing is becoming embarrassing. So rather than be honest and add the 6-8 minutes at the end of the half, or whatever the VAR delays has contributed, they'd prefer to keep it to a more "normal" level and pretend its not been much of a factor.

Look at that Scotland game last night. 6 minutes added on - the VAR checking ALONE during that 2nd half took 6+ minutes, just look at the stats. It went to review on 87, the penalty was "scored" in the 93rd after the VAR retake decision. 6 goals, 4 bookings, 3 substitutions, numerous stoppages. There should've been 11 minutes, quite easily. But nope, that "looks bad", so we just lose a chunk of time from the game instead.

Its a shambles.

 

[One Love]

Another bad VAR decision in the Womens World Cup.