[Politics] Brexit

[Sussex Nomad]

Sorry but I have to ask:
If we accept your logic that democracy demands we cannot reverse or even revisit a vote that was 'ill informed to the point of hysteria' what do you think can be done to 'honour' the outcome of that 'ill informed', 'hysterical' referendum?

Do you remember the Leon Knight penalty that took us up a division? What if the city of Bristol thought, not having that, we want another game. Would you agree to it?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

So you would be okay with more democracy, like a second referendum?

What part of democracy have you missed out on? What is 'more' democracy? The bit where you don't win?

 

[Knocky's Nose]

Not once have I accused the voting public as being a big bunch of idiots, lead down the garden path. You obviously think they are. Says more about you than them. If Remain had won you'd be calling them all intellectuals, no doubt.



In conclusion, people make up their own minds based on what they are faced with. If that makes you feel threatened that more people disagreed with you, that is more a reflection on you.



Personally I couldn't give a horses crap which way it went, but if Brexit wins, we do Brexit. I do, however, care dearly about our democracy. And if this were ever overturned I would lose all faith in our governance.

Wow... I don't want to be in your head, and I don't want to be drawn into your gravitational field - so I'll gracefully bow out of this thread. You win. We can all be fed bollocks, make a decision based on bollocks, then be forced to stick to it. If that's democracy you can file it under "bullshit" in my dictionary.

Bye...

 

[Juan Albion]

What part of democracy have you missed out on? What is 'more' democracy? The bit where you don't win?

I'll take that as a no, you don't want the people to have a say. I thought you liked democracy? If the people want the Brexit on offer, they would vote for it, no? I think you are just scared that once the actual options are laid out, YOU might lose?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Wow... I don't want to be in your head, and I don't want to be drawn into your gravitational field - so I'll gracefully bow out of this thread. You win. We can all be fed bollocks, make a decision based on bollocks, then be forced to stick to it. If that's democracy you can file it under "bullshit" in my dictionary.

Bye...

If you have no comeback, belittle... nice post and one I won't be bothered to go back too.

 

[Knocky's Nose]

If you have no comeback, belittle... nice post and one I won't be bothered to go back too.

*to

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I'll take that as a no, you don't want the people to have a say. I thought you liked democracy? If the people want the Brexit on offer, they would vote for it, no? I think you are just scared that once the actual options are laid out, YOU might lose?

You, seem to me, please, if I'm wrong say so, but you will do a heads and tails, lose, best of three, lose, best of five, lose.... et al. What exactly is your idea of democracy? Keep doing it til you win?

 

[Juan Albion]

You, seem to me, please, if I'm wrong say so, but you will do a heads and tails, lose, best of three, lose, best of five, lose.... et al. What exactly is your idea of democracy? Keep doing it til you win?

Oh grow up. First, I have never said if I'm for or against Brexit, you just make assumptions. As it happens, I couldn't even tell you which way I would have voted before, and I couldn't now because no-one knows what Brexit is yet. I don't vote for blank cheques, and neither should you.

Second, it wouldn't be the same referendum, would it? If there's one thing that has become clear, it is that lots of people have lots of different ideas of what Brexit actually means. What could possibly be undemocratic about going back to the people and saying "This is what we've managed to negotiate, is it what you want?" You just keep bleating "but we had a vote" and that "the people have spoken" yet you now want to shut the people up. Weird.

 

[Lever]

Do you remember the Leon Knight penalty that took us up a division? What if the city of Bristol thought, not having that, we want another game. Would you agree to it?

Yes I do remember that penalty. I was there.
I think that it is a mistake to think of democracy in terms of a football match for many, many reasons.... but to go with it for a second. If it was proved beyond doubt that there had been serious irregularities which affected the outcome, then I would hope the result would be overturned - even if it was against the Albion.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Oh grow up. First, I have never said if I'm for or against Brexit, you just make assumptions. As it happens, I couldn't even tell you which way I would have voted before, and I couldn't now because no-one knows what Brexit is yet. I don't vote for blank cheques, and neither should you.

Second, it wouldn't be the same referendum, would it? If there's one thing that has become clear, it is that lots of people have lots of different ideas of what Brexit actually means. What could possibly be undemocratic about going back to the people and saying "This is what we've managed to negotiate, is it what you want?" You just keep bleating "but we had a vote" and that "the people have spoken" yet you now want to shut the people up. Weird.

Oh grow up, well done, lost me after three words.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Yes I do remember that penalty. I was there.
I think that it is a mistake to think of democracy in terms of a football match for many, many reasons.... but to go with it for a second. If it was proved beyond doubt that there had been serious irregularities which affected the outcome, then I would hope the result would be overturned - even if it was against the Albion.

Please enlarge on the irregularities, this is the first I have heard about it in three years, and certainly has not been made public.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Second, it wouldn't be the same referendum, would it? If there's one thing that has become clear, it is that lots of people have lots of different ideas of what Brexit actually means. What could possibly be undemocratic about going back to the people and saying "This is what we've managed to negotiate, is it what you want?" You just keep bleating "but we had a vote" and that "the people have spoken" yet you now want to shut the people up. Weird.

If there is one thing that has become clear from your 'grow up' statement, it is that more people than ever in the UK want out of the EU, 34% voted for a party that didn't exist 2 months ago.

 

[Lever]

Please enlarge on the irregularities, this is the first I have heard about it in three years, and certainly has not been made public.

I think you will find that irregularities (financial, misrepresentations, falsehoods) have been made public. Here's just one accusation....

https://www.businessinsider.com/sco...l-new-brexit-referendum-vote-2018-3?r=US&IR=T

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I think you will find that irregularities (financial, misrepresentations, falsehoods) have been made public. Here's just one accusation....

https://www.businessinsider.com/sco...l-new-brexit-referendum-vote-2018-3?r=US&IR=T

Over a year ago, what became of it? What were the irregularities? Why was it never followed up? Why as a voter did I never hear about it?

 

[Lever]

Over a year ago, what became of it? What were the irregularities? Why was it never followed up?

I understand that you are predisposed to defend or bypass these matters but your original point was that you didn't know what they were and claimed (incorrectly) that they had 'certainly not been made public'. They were made public. We can begin an informed debate after you have found out about various 'irregularities' - some of which, after rigorous scrutiny, have been acknowledged.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I understand that you are predisposed to defend or bypass these matters but your original point was that you didn't know what they were and claimed (incorrectly) that they had 'certainly not been made public'. They were made public. We can begin an informed debate after you have found out about various 'irregularities' - many of which, after rigorous scrutiny, have been acknowledged.

Same question, I think you forgot to answer it.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

There are no facts to research though? Just opinions?



I would vote leave but not Farage. Remainers calling all brexiters racists shows ignorance on their side. I also think taking no deal off the table lacks common sense in negotiations and now makes it more likely.



I agree. Not good at all. True for both sides though.

There were and are facts to be found. It's just a shame you chose not find out the pros and cons of both sides of the the argument and voted one way based on the way someone acted. But I assume you can look at PPF, 2profs etc. and see that leave voters are no better. Both sides have dickheads.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

If there is one thing that has become clear from your 'grow up' statement, it is that more people than ever in the UK want out of the EU, 34% voted for a party that didn't exist 2 months ago.

That's not a majority. Nor in any way indicates that more people want brexit.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Over a year ago, what became of it? What were the irregularities? Why was it never followed up? Why as a voter did I never hear about it?

They accepted it and paid the fine. They did not fight it. It was an acceptance that they cheated financially.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

That's not a majority. Nor in any way indicates that more people want brexit.

The people who voted Brexit, in the biggest poll/election/referendum ever have not moved an inch. That is a fact.