[Politics] Brexit

[The Clamp]

The UK has said they will not erect a hard border confirmed in their no deal planning.

As for the Irish and the EU.

And we all know promises are kept in this Brexit.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

There's only one EU, the one I voted to remain in. The common market and EEC are not the EU.

When you voted in 1975 did you know you were voting to join the EU ?

 

[Blue3]

If you mean TIG, the Independent Group, I think we all better wait and see how many of them have future careers as MP's. Some may be de-selected, suffer votes of no confidence or get defeated in by-elections. At the moment, they are carrying on, regardless of the fact that they are now representing a party that none of their constituents voted for.

I am not sure TIG have a future but would send a very strong statement in the forthcoming EU elections

 

[Blue3]

Stop Press.....Grammar and spelling check desperately required.

Literacy overrated if you ask me!,?;

 

[WATFORD zero]

*** yawn *** It doesn't matter how many times you ask the question ..... it's still a stupid question. You're beginning to resemble one of those old dribbly blokes that sits at the end of a pub bar ( a bad pub ) and mutters to themselves before shouting out to the whole bar a question. While the rest of the bar just laughs because you've got stale piss all over your trousers.

The reason very few people have answered your stupid question is that it's not valid - the choice isn't as binary as that - and at the point of the referendum neither of those options were on the paper ( I refer you to the local village idiot, Plooks, who kept banging on about 'if it wasn't on the ballot paper it wasn't voted for' - one of your remainer mates who almost makes 2Ps look sane ).

Your search function that you're so proud of seems to have abandoned you though - because if you looked back, or bothered to remember, I have attempted to answer your stupid question by listing my prefered outcomes in order - more than two of them so making your binary question invalid.

I seem to remember you wanted to give 'NI back to the Irish', as your first choice, so I explained some of the history to you

Well for starters, the majority of people in Northern Ireland want to remain part of the United Kingdom. It was written into the Good Friday Agreement that if the majority of people in Northern Ireland (and the Republic of Ireland) want Northern Ireland to be part of the Republic of Ireland then that’s what will happen.

It's probably also worth noting that Northern Ireland has never been part of the Republic of Ireland so there is no previous historical state to return to. (As far as I know, it still is a single Island ) When what is now the Republic of Ireland was formed as the Irish Free State, Northern Ireland chose to opt out and form its own distinct region so the Republic has only ever been the 26 counties.

The last time Ireland was independently united was around 1011 when the regional rulers recognised Brian Boru as king but even that only lasted a year. The only time that Ireland has been united as a political entity has been under British rule so it would almost make more sense to ask why doesn’t the Republic of Ireland return to the UK to have a united Ireland again?

But you have been backed into a corner and are now so desperate for any kind of Brexit, you really don't care who gets f***ed over in your desperation. With each desperate lurch to find an answer to implementing Brexit, you just open up another can of worms

Looks like the search function is working again

And then your second choice was 'no deal'.

That's why I haven't bothered asking you

(Unless you have an option which is actually implementable and doesn't involve a Customs Union or Hard Border, but I won't hold my breath)

 

[Eeyore]

YES, THE GREAT COMMON AGRICULTURAL POLICY THAT MORPHED INTO EU DICTATORSHIP , good old Ted sailing into the sunset, what type of Brexit are you going to settle for ?
regards
DR

How do you think the CAP affected our farming industry and how do you see it now ?



I'll give you an eternity to answer....

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I seem to remember you wanted to give 'NI back to the Irish', as your first choice, so I explained some of the history to you



Looks like the search function is working again

And then your second choice was 'no deal'.

That's why I haven't bothered asking you

(Unless you have an option which is actually implementable and doesn't involve a Customs Union or Hard Border, but I won't hold my breath)

So your statement about no remainers answering your question, and so comprehensively destroyed by another poster is detroyed yet again !

And yes, Ireland should be a united island under one government ..... the Irish government.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Again, personally, I have nothing against the Irish, be they Northern or from Eire.

Why do you and other leave voters refer to The Republic of Ireland as Eire? You don't refer to Spain as Espana, or Italy as Italia etc, so is it some sort of inherent condescending/patronising English thing toward the Irish or something?

 

[A1X]

Brexit. It's going so well other countries with movements which wanted to leave the EU are now seeing them back away from the idea. Must be because we're making such a rip-roaring success of it.

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[ManOfSussex]

And yes, Ireland should be a united island under one government ..... the Irish government.

Go and say that in East Belfast to your fellow British citizens and see what happens.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

There's only one EU, the one I voted to remain in. The common market and EEC are not the EU.

Did you know which you wanted when you voted leave, Customs Union or Hard Border ? or do I need to explain the question ?

You see, I think this is the root of the problem we are facing. If you don't know which you want, you can see that the government may struggle a little to give you what you think you voted for

Says the person who thought the EU had been around for 40 years

I voted for the EU we have spent the last 40 years shaping and ensuring that we have the right vetoes, refunds and control over our position in it

 

[WATFORD zero]

You asked a question that was irrelevant to the question about a second referendum, imo of course.

Again, personally, I have nothing against the Irish, be they Northern or from Eire. Then again neither have I anything against the French. So their border question is not the most pressing thing about Brexit.

Have you a link regarding the importance of the Irish border question that backs up your claim, not doubting you but on my phone ATM and the search isn't all that great or maybe I'm asking the question in the wrong way?

I'm not sure if it's what you're looking for but the link I put a couple of posts up explains that there would have to be a hard border in the event of 'no deal'. It's one of a few reasons I've always thought that a 'no deal' wouldn't happen.

Here's the link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46961982

 

[WATFORD zero]

Says the person who thought the EU had been around for 40 years

I said the position we have been negotiating for 40 years. So between 1973 and 1993 we abstained from any negotiations in the Common Market then

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Must be time for a break from the #teameucrew undemocratic loons borefest ...

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Silly question any Leave voter has more faith in our country than you #truepatriots

In other news, undemocratic loons of the world unite ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...arty-seeks-rerun-of-istanbul-mayoral-election

It may have been a silly question but your answer was even dafter my little runaway.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Why do you and other leave voters refer to The Republic of Ireland as Eire? You don't refer to Spain as Espana, or Italy as Italia etc, so is it some sort of inherent condescending/patronising English thing toward the Irish or something?

It was quicker than writing Southern Ireland. Are you trying to look for an argument, there really is no need? I have no wish to patronise anybody. I often find it annoying when people do what I did when taking about Munich or Milan funnily enough. I still call Burma Burma though.

 

[The Clamp]

Must be time for a break from the #teameucrew undemocratic loons borefest ...

The good news for democracy fans is we will all probably get to vote in the EU elections. That’s got to be some compensation?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Go and say that in East Belfast to your fellow British citizens and see what happens.

That's a pretty stupid statement. Why don't you go to Russia and suggest the Crimea should be part of Ukraine. Or go to Tiawan and say it should be part of China. Or the Falklands and say it should be part of Argentina.

And I have no desire to go to NI - especially given it contains backward stoneage political parties such as the DUP.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I said the position we have been negotiating for 40 years. So between 1973 and 1993 we abstained from any negotiations in the Common Market then

You said you voted for the EU and spent 40 years 'shaping and ensuring that we have the right vetoes, refunds and control over our position in it'

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I'm not sure if it's what you're looking for but the link I put a couple of posts up explains that there would have to be a hard border in the event of 'no deal'. It's one of a few reasons I've always thought that a 'no deal' wouldn't happen.

Here's the link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46961982

No, I wondered if you had a link to what you said about the Irish border question being the 3rd most important issue in voters minds in the run up to the referendum.

That article is slightly amusing from a leave perspective. Much is often said about 'farcical' and 'laughing stock' situations in which our government has got itself into and some of the time I would concur. However in one paragraph you have the EU non entity stating a hard border would ensue from a no deal Brexit and just after a statement directly contradicting that from the Irish prime minister.