[Albion] Hughton

[Acker79]

We're not the people who fire the incumbent, either...

Tell that to Mark McGhee. Tell that to every manager who has been booed by his own fans to the point the owner feels he has no choice but to make a change. Every manager that has looked up and seen empty seats as the fans stay away to force the owners' hands.

 

[darkwolf666]

Wolves and Watford seemed to pick up pretty decent unheard of (by me) managers that have entertained the fans.

And let’s see how quickly the fans turn on them when things don’t go to plan!

 

[Acker79]

Obviously i am never going to be in your side of the argument but you put your points across very well from a footballing perspective. However, there are too much riches at risk to go into the unknown. TB invested millions of his own money into the club. This is the first Manager who has shown him a financial return on his investment. Why would he put that at risk ?

We shouldn't. As mentioned in previous posts, I don't want rid of Hughton. I'm just explaining why I think the oft used counter argument "Well, who we gonna get instead? Eh?" is a bad counter argument, and ultimately a pointless one.

 

[graz126]

despite what anyone thinks the premier league is a very tough division for any club outside the top 6. Our target last season, this season and definitely next season is to survive in this league only.. So the story so far. last season we survived, this season we are 5 points clear with a game in hand, and a home games against our main rivals for the drop whilst only 7 or 8 games left! Also last season an FA Cup quarter final took us to a tight game at Old Trafford. This season we have a Wembley appearance in the FA Cup semi final to look forward too. Yeah lets sack the manager.. Are you for real?!!!

 

[NooBHA]

I do not get this argument with our approach to away games against the top six. Since we have been in the PL we have set up to defend as deep as possible with little intent of ever attacking. That has rewarded up the grand total of ZERO points, NONE, NADA, ZILCH. What is the definition of insanity again?

Each year it yields 1 point at the very minimum because goal difference isn't minus of the Richter scale

 

[Acker79]

Each year it yields 1 point at the very minimum because goal difference isn't minus of the Richter scale

Half a point

 

[dazzer6666]

We shouldn't. As mentioned in previous posts, I don't want rid of Hughton. I'm just explaining why I think the oft used counter argument "Well, who we gonna get instead? Eh?" is a bad counter argument, and ultimately a pointless one.

It isn’t though. It’s the one TB has to consider before he pulls the trigger. He’s not going to fire Chris without having a replacement lined up.

 

[Bry Nylon]

...the premier league is a very tough division for any club outside the top 6.

Tonight, three of the Top Six took on three of the 'also rans.' Final score?

Top Six 7-0 Also Rans

None of us make-weights even so much as landed a glove. Sometimes, it's a real labour of love supporting a Premier League minnow

 

[graz126]

Tonight, three of the Top Six took on three of the 'also rans.' Final score?

Top Six 7-0 Also Rans

None of us make-weights even so much as landed a glove. Sometimes, it's a real labour of love supporting a Premier League minnow

no surprise at all to me. this 3.0 was our biggest defeat of the season though. We had been beat 4 times by 2 goals. And that goal difference right now still keeps us above Southampton (just) and burnley by 7

 

[Muzzy]

The system and game plan need to be changed, not the manager.
Starting threads like this after EVERY defeat isn’t helping the cause.
The style of football is becoming harder and harder to watch so the frustration is understandable.
However, if we continue to focus on sacking rather than supporting the manager then the fans mood will generally come across negatively to the players just making matters worse.
I for one think we will stay up, just. Then hope that the club will make any adjustments needed for a better style of football with some fresh blood for next season. We are still very new to this league and we knew it was going to a tough ask to stay here.

Unfortunately, I cannot be there Saturday but will be rooting from a bar somewhere in the US.
UTA


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[BadFish]

And let’s see how quickly the fans turn on them when things don’t go to plan!

Or things are going to plan but some of the fans don't have the patience to see the plan through.

 

[Mental Lental]

I was saying to my Burnley supporting mate the other day that if both Burnley and Brighton can scrape a win against the mighty Cardiff at home it would keep both of us up. We'd both be 8 points clear with Cardiff having only 4 to play.

That's all we need. Beat Cardiff at home. Stay up.

I actually think we'll pick up some more points from some of the other games (no really!) as well and finish on around the same points as last season. Perhaps even 1 or 2 more.

Then we keep our strong and stable management/recruitment team and look to do better than that next year.

 

[saafend_seagull]

Out from me. Dire dire football. He doesn’t have a clue how to play any other way unfortunately. If Cardiff beat us he should be sacked. If we stay up and he stays he needs to clear out March, Stephens, kayal, Ali J, Bruno, bong and spend 100m on 4 players, and let a couple of youth team players take their places.


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[BadFish]

We shouldn't. As mentioned in previous posts, I don't want rid of Hughton. I'm just explaining why I think the oft used counter argument "Well, who we gonna get instead? Eh?" is a bad counter argument, and ultimately a pointless one.

I disagree, if you want to scrap the plan in place then my first questions is going to be 'What is the new plan?"

 

[seagullwedgee]

Those last two performances have been about as depressing as it gets. Where has our fight gone? Where has our shape gone? Where has the desire to go the extra miles gone? Where has our defensive resilience gone? Gradually since changing to a more 433 looking outfit, we have lost just about everything we previously had, over those 3.5 months since we changed, and for me we are now at such a low point, I can’t honestly see where our next goal is coming from, let alone the crucial next points needed to stay up....

 

[BadFish]

I would say wrong because if he keeps us up he has a really strong proven record of keeping teams in our position up. We are more or less at pur peak, there is not much more to progress to, the lot outside the top 6 are about even. Breaking into the top 6 is not happening unless somthing crazy happens.

The only way that i can see a club like ours breaking into the next level is by careful and patient incremental progress. This may not mean progress every single year and it will possible include some 1 step forward 2 steps back seasons. Tony Bloom and the rest clearly have a plan of how to take us as far as we can and so far they have been successful. We don't have the money to be chasing a magic formula of an endless stream of managers a la Chelsea or Watford. I am not even convinced that this is the best way to proceed and unless someone can convince me otherwise I am firmly in the stability camp. Even with the frustrations of losing at home to Southampton and the boring football 9I don't actually think it is that bad).

Ironically the easiest way to improve the standard of football is to get relegated.

 

[Jovis]

It isn’t though. It’s the one TB has to consider before he pulls the trigger. He’s not going to fire Chris without having a replacement lined up.

And a man as thorough as TB will no doubt have a constantly evolving shortlist of replacement managers to hand, just in case Chris isn’t at the club tomorrow, for whatever reason. At the moment he thinks the best man for the job is in place.

 

[albionfan37]

the grass ain’t always greener and we don’t know if this is what he’s said to tb regarding playing style for the first few seasons and gradually becoming more expansive
Would we take five years of poor football to get a long run pushing top 10 and cup challenges

 

[Conkers]

Actually our away form is better. We are 17th, compared with 20th last year.
Our home form is slightly worse, but two wins and a draw from our last four home games would make it identical.
We have scored more goals away from home already this year than we got in the whole of last season.
We are 15th. We haven't been in the bottom three all season and we are in a cup semi-final.
9 of the last 18 teams to be promoted from the Championship have been relegated within two seasons. Cardiff or us being relegated by the end of the season would make this 10.

Therefore, in answer to your question, our position, close to the end of a second season in the Premier League is above average.
I'd be interested to know what you were expecting.

If we pick up no more away points this season (extremely likely given our form and the opposition still left to play) our away points this season will be the same as last season. Therefore no progression. Home points will almost certainly be less unless we win almost every last home game (which 100% won’t happen).
Given we will end up on less points this season than last, how can you call that progress? All I want is better performances and attitudes and ultimately more points, none of which have happened.

Not sure how you can call us above average this season - everyone would agree we haven’t performed (regardless of points and position) “above average” this season by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[SollysLeftFoot]

What has been clear is that over the last few games the players do not look motivated at all. Especially against Stains, which was a big worry. If Hughton can't motivate them for Wembley then i think once this season is up it's best to mutually agree to part ways.