[Politics] Brexit

[Pavilionaire]

I also voted leave but what you say makes sense. However, it should come as no surprise that a House of Commons which is dominated by politicians who want to remain, has done all it can to make the process so awkward and difficult, that people will either give up or become tired of it so that staying seems to offer a welcome relief.

That's seriously messed up.

However, although I firmly disagree with Umunna's stance on Brexit, I heartily agree when he stated that people just want Parliament to make a choice.

I am sick to death if it and wish none of it had ever happened. It is hard to see how any of this can end well.

I don't understand how people can say "We're fed up, just make a decision and get on with it."

One option is the status quo, and is imperfect but in no way risky, the other way is inherently risky, is almost certain to be economically crippling in the short term, could result in the break-up of the UK and is certain to drag on and dominate the news for another 5-10 years as trade deal after trade deal is dismantled and f*cked about with.

The apathy and level of ignorance is staggering, as is the people's seeming faith in our elected leaders to negotiate a post-Brexit world. These people are incompetent - Chris Grayling? Karen Bradley??

 

[Is it PotG?]

It's really funny but 26 other countries can agree, but the UK cannot get agreement amongst themselves and yet Europe gets the blame.

It really is laughable.

Self interest and a desire to keep a fragile thing with a finite lifespan going does wonders for unity.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

It's really funny but 26 other countries can agree, but the UK cannot get agreement amongst themselves and yet Europe gets the blame.

It really is laughable.

Not really comparable. Far easier for the EU to make an agreement which is as close to the status quo as possible. After all we keep being told that the EU doesn't really need us and that's why we have little bargaining power. If Poland or Germany or France for example, were undergoing their equivalent of Brexit, perhaps they'd become mired as well?

 

[knocky1]

Those 1 million Turkish migrants must be nearly here by now and I want £350 million a week (inflation indexed from 30 months ago) spent on our NHS. We need to be Russian Out as quickly as possible.

 

[Diablo]

Fancy a game of Russian roulette?

You go first.

click !

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's about whether Parliament *wants* to leave with *no deal* or not.

They can reject it and say that they really, really don't want *no deal*, but that doesn't actually stop it.

Beware of May, the reluctant Remainer. I've never liked her attitude to immigrants and this article explains a lot. She has got to be prevented from going No Deal.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/theresa-may-always-been-virulent-brexiteer-1-5901049

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

That's the trouble. The idea of an in out referendum with a majority to decide is so wrong....how can parliament act on that - nobody knows what 'leave' means! Hard Brexit is as valid as soft in this context, and as there is no party policy all mps are faffing. They have NO INSTRUCTION FROM THE PEOPLE. You can't achieve a Brexit when people don't agree what it is.

So we have to remain. Anything else would be absurd.

I see what you are saying. Personally, when May called the last election, I believe an opportunity was lost, as we could have elected a government which had a plan for Brexit rather than having the two main parties simply acquiesce on the general principle of leaving. A proper mandate would have been established and this Parliament would not have dithered so much, and we, the public, would not have had to suffer their many incompetences.

 

[beorhthelm]

Isn't it about time the Queen said:-

"F**k this shit, we're staying with my homeland"

which would be England, not the result you meant i presume? (Elizabeth's grandmother was half Croatian and bit German, if thats what you allude to)

 

[vegster]

Damn evil EU ! looks like they are going to force us to have to have a democratic vote to elect MEP'S !!!!

 

[Pavilionaire]

He won't, but he can do a "you lost, millions of people disagree with you, get over it" with the best of them. That sort of head-in-the-sand lunacy is what you should expect in lieu of coherent argument. And in fairness, we all know that the Brexit people haven't got a solution to the Irish border, never mind this nonsensical need to make ourselves less competitive.

I know. Asking a simple question won't get you an answer. Maybe I should use the medium of song? In the words of Freddie:

"I have spent all my years disagreeing with you
But I just can't get no relief, Lord!
Somebody (somebody) ooh somebody (somebody)
Can anybody find me...
Somebody to explain how the f*ck Brexit works?"

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Damn evil EU ! looks like they are going to force us to have to have a democratic vote to elect MEP'S !!!!

I wonder if anyone will bother to vote. Do you think it's a shame that the EU elections were so poorly supported?

 

[Simster]

Self interest and a desire to keep a fragile thing with a finite lifespan going does wonders for unity.

This fragile thing - is this the thing that is so fragile that it has doubled in size within two decades, has formed its own currency AND seems more unified than our nation?

What planet are you on?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I would be loathed to vote again as it would mean the forces intent on ignoring the biggest democratic event in our nation's history had prevailed. We enact democratic results of elections in our country (as promised before the referendum by the government) ... keep asking the question until you get the 'right' result is all very EU

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Self interest and a desire to keep a fragile thing with a finite lifespan going does wonders for unity.

Fragile? The only thing that looks fragile is the UK Parliament at the moment. I have never known such chaos in this country and I lived through the Suez crisis.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I would be loathed to vote again as it would mean the forces intent on ignoring the biggest democratic event in our nation's history had prevailed. We enact democratic results of elections in our country (as promised before the referendum by the government) ... keep asking the question until you get the 'right' result is all very EU

There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Blame the EU.

Brexit promised so much (that the politicians knew were outright lies) and couldn't be delivered, but it is all the fault of the foreigners.

Britain started it, not the EU, but somehow it is all their fault. Give me strength!

 

[vegster]

I wonder if anyone will bother to vote. Do you think it's a shame that the EU elections were so poorly supported?

It's our own fault, we never really embraced European politics and elected passionate people who wanted to Make it better. Instead we elected the likes of Farage who either never turned up or just slagged off every attempt at constructive debate.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Watch this space. Once one nation not in need of bail outs finds a route out under the wire fence, said path will be well trodden.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Fragile? The only thing that looks fragile is the UK Parliament at the moment. I have never known such chaos in this country and I lived through the Suez crisis.

This fragile thing - is this the thing that is so fragile that it has doubled in size within two decades, has formed its own currency AND seems more unified than our nation?

What planet are you on?

Disagree respectfully with you both. Don't judge success on the basis of size. The EU has huge faults but Brexit for us is a masking distraction from them.

I will watch the EU election results keenly, my hope is that the far right will not make the expected gains, but if they do there is a real prospect that well over 20% of the vote will go to Eurosceptic and more worryingly, far right groups.

The EU is an unhappy group, look at the sides between France and Italy for instance. I believe these kind of disputes will increase and it would not surprise me if the eurocrats pulled back from the 'ever closer Union' as it recedes in popularity.

 

[beorhthelm]

That's the trouble. The idea of an in out referendum with a majority to decide is so wrong....how can parliament act on that - nobody knows what 'leave' means! Hard Brexit is as valid as soft in this context, and as there is no party policy all mps are faffing. They have NO INSTRUCTION FROM THE PEOPLE. You can't achieve a Brexit when people don't agree what it is.

So we have to remain. Anything else would be absurd.

dont agree with having another vote, but your agrument is well put.
trouble is this wont be made by the politicans who dont seem to be able to put forward a coherent argument, usually they retreat to "normal" politics. they should vote to instruct May to revoke, then go back to constituents and explain why, face them at the next election.

 

[DJ NOBO]

I voted leave but accept I was being stupid and would now like the chance to vote remain.