[Politics] Brexit

[Simster]

My main reason for voting Leave,and one I have mentioned numerous times,is I want out before the EU dies.With its central banking,currency based on bad debt,and colossal bureaucracy,it's just like the USSR revisited.Brexit might be financially damaging,but it won't be as bad as staying in.It's dying,and trying to save it as a whole means the death of Europe.Only a two-tier Euro holds out some hope,but it's politically unacceptable.Even Draghi can't lighten the gloom.

I'm fairly sure you'll ignore this because you won't be able to answer, but where is the EVIDENCE that the EU as an entity is even remotely close to dying? A massive majority across the EU believe that the right to move across 26/27 member states is a good thing, as are the absence of tariffs, as is a guaranteed basic level of social care, as is a basic level of workers rights.

You can argue the toss about the Euro, but your assertion that the EU is dying is quite clearly unadulterated bollocks. I seriously have no idea where you dream up this nonsense. It is absurd. It is so absurd that the man on the street in places like Holland and Germany are incredulous we are doing it to ourselves.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Funny isn't it, it's almost as if the Tories hadn't already agreed a deal, it was just defeated by the biggest majority ever seen.

“Just as MPs will face a big choice next week, the EU has to make a choice too.

“It is in the European interest for the UK to leave with a deal. We are working with them but the decisions that the European Union makes over the next few days will have a big impact on the outcome of the vote.”

This government just lurhces from disaster to disaster, almost hourly.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

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[nicko31]

Part 3 (focuses on the Brexit Campaign) of the probe into Arron Banks on C4 News was postponed last night.

Seems the Brexit elite are away skiing in Cortina (like you do).

Before it was aired they wanted to give him a chance to respond to their allegations about Brexit campaign finance. Reckons he’s needs at least 5 days to respond, emmmm......


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[The Clamp]

My main reason for voting Leave,and one I have mentioned numerous times,is I want out before the EU dies.With its central banking,currency based on bad debt,and colossal bureaucracy,it's just like the USSR revisited.Brexit might be financially damaging,but it won't be as bad as staying in.It's dying,and trying to save it as a whole means the death of Europe.Only a two-tier Euro holds out some hope,but it's politically unacceptable.Even Draghi can't lighten the gloom.

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I'll tell you what's happened here. And I say this only because not once in three years have you mentioned this. I think what you've gone and done is not really know why you wanted to leave outside a vague recollection of reading somewhere that the EU forces regulations on us and Polish people steal our jobs. You have found this piece of shit quote somewhere on the internet and adopted it as the reason you left. It's pathetic. You're pathetic.

 

[Simster]

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Little titbits of good news don't really prove anything anymore than little titbits of bad news do. I don't understand why you insist on posting them on here.

What concerns me more is 25,000 jobs being lost in Swindon responded to by this sort of post, the equivalent of losing £200 on the horses and then finding a £1 on the floor as you walk out of the betting shop.

 

[Berty23]

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1. Updating boilers that are inefficient
2. Looks good for Northern Ireland
3. Has investment from the north east development capital fund and wait for it....European regional development fund (couldn’t make it up that people list this as a victory)
4. Good to see “invest Northern Ireland” generating jobs
5. Looks good
6. Celebrating a company moving from one office to a new one feels a bit much
7. Looks good
8. Is this the one from 12 months ago


Surely they have better examples than European money and office moves?
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[Springal]

A bunch of <£10M 'projects' for companies we've never heard of. Sounds great

 

[Mellotron]

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Would be more convincing if all the tweets weren't from the exact same one source. That's never a good sign.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Little titbits of good news don't really prove anything anymore than little titbits of bad news do. I don't understand why you insist on posting them on here.

What concerns me more is 25,000 jobs being lost in Swindon responded to by this sort of post, the equivalent of losing £200 on the horses and then finding a £1 on the floor as you walk out of the betting shop.

Just trying to create a bit of positivety around the place, that's all.

 

[Simster]

Just trying to create a bit of positivety around the place, that's all.

It's facile.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Would be more convincing if all the tweets weren't from the exact same one source. That's never a good sign.

You don't get many feeds focusing on manufacturing in this way. Again think it's important to post something positive as everything is negative thats all.

 

[The Clamp]

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Pfft. None of those are over £20m worth. We are haemorrhaging £500m a week solely due to Brexit. You'd have to be mentally substandard not to realise that is going to have a MASSIVE and systemic effect on the UK economy and industry. And moreover, the average family.

These minor tidbits of "good news" are not even a blip on a steady and frightening downward trajectory.

I don't believe in offence but if I did I would say some of the nonsense your mob spout is downright offensive.

 

[Mellotron]

You don't get many feeds focusing on manufacturing in this way. Again think it's important to post something positive as everything is negative thats all.

That is true, there is absolutely **** all out there in terms of genuine and concrete positive Brexit news - and this good news is despite Brexit obviously, not because of it anyway, so it's basically Brexit-neutral.

And as mentioned elsewhere, this isn't even close to putting in a dent on the cavalcade of shit Brexit is causing us.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I will judge Brexit after a year, because I simply don't believe it's going to as bad as they predict, that's all. I think in the future we will just be better off without the EU and be a far more attractive place to invest in, which hopefully will focus and result in more manufacturing jobs, even if people can't see that right now.

 

[Berty23]

I will judge Brexit after a year, because I simply don't believe it's going to as bad as they predict, that's all. I think in the future we will just be better off without the EU and be a far more attractive place to invest in, which hopefully will focus and result in more manufacturing jobs, even if people can't see that right now.

You know that the only economist who thinks brexit will be a success has said that it will inevitably see the end of manufacturing and agriculture as we know it but that is a price worth paying? Everyone agrees manufacturing will be hit but only minford says it will be wiped out.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I believe the HoC will reject Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement next Tuesday and I believe HoC will reject No Deal the following day but the question I'm asking myself today is: Which side is Theresa May herself going to support on the Wednesday - reject No Deal or vote for No Deal.

I think she'll give her party a free vote on the Wednesday, rather than whip them and force a significant number of resignations. However, given she has been saying all along "No deal is better than a bad deal", "We will be leaving the European Union on 29th March 2019", "We have to honour the decision taken on 23rd June 2016", "It is the Will of the People to leave the European Union" etc then only voting for No Deal next Wednesday will deliver on her promises.

And if she votes for No Deal in a free vote but the HoC votes against then where does that leave her premiership? She has categorically ruled out a Second Referendum but any extension to Article 50 would have to have purpose. Does she call a General Election and hope she gets a majority? But what would she campaign on if her "Deal" gets defeated a second time and Europe aren't prepared to renegotiate until the UK changes its position?

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I will judge Brexit after a year, because I simply don't believe it's going to as bad as they predict, that's all. I think in the future we will just be better off without the EU and be a far more attractive place to invest in, which hopefully will focus and result in more manufacturing jobs, even if people can't see that right now.

Might be a tad more convincing were there any analysis to back this up? If you are referring to Foreign Direct Investment then which established drivers of this will be improved by Brexit? (I'm rather hoping the answers aren't 'de-regulation of the labour market and/or lower corporate taxes'.)

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I believe the HoC will reject Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement next Tuesday and I believe HoC will reject No Deal the following day but the question I'm asking myself today is: Which side is Theresa May herself going to support on the Wednesday - reject No Deal or vote for No Deal.

I think she'll give her party a free vote on the Wednesday, rather than whip them and force a significant number of resignations. However, given she has been saying all along "No deal is better than a bad deal", "We will be leaving the European Union on 29th March 2019", "We have to honour the decision taken on 23rd June 2016", "It is the Will of the People to leave the European Union" etc then only voting for No Deal next Wednesday will deliver on her promises.

And if she votes for No Deal in a free vote but the HoC votes against then where does that leave her premiership? She has categorically ruled out a Second Referendum but any extension to Article 50 would have to have purpose. Does she call a General Election and hope she gets a majority? But what would she campaign on if her "Deal" gets defeated a second time and Europe aren't prepared to renegotiate until the UK changes its position?

Well this all rather assumes that the show-boating idiot and national embarrassment Cox failed to make any impact other than making us look even more stupid than we've managed hitherto...….So it's beginning to look like she'll go back to the House with pretty much the same deal that bombed previously. I don't think she'll go for the No Deal option - but god forbid, who really knows.

 

[A1X]

I was saying, which you don’t seem to understand, that if the outcome of the vote on deciding to Leave the EU or Remain in the EU gives a decision to Leave,then that democratic decision should be respected and we leave the European Union not remain in the European Union. Which part of that do you not understand.
If you can persuade the European Union to allow the UK to have a Norway type deal where the UK is exempt from EU laws and rules, exempt from EU budgetary contributions, exempt from EU freedom of movement directives and legislation and persuade Norway to let us be in a club that Norway doesn’t want us to be it…..then good luck.

But if you take on Norway as is that is leaving the EU. You're now attaching other additional caveats which complicate the process of leaving. If the UK adopted Norway plus and left on the 29th March, on the 30th March the UK would not be in the EU anymore, and as such the democratic mandate would have been fulfilled. We would still have Freedom of Movement, Single Market access, Customs Union and in most respects virtually nothing would actually change, but we would have left the EU.

By your own logic that is therefore an acceptable outcome. Because we will have left. Anything else is your own interpretation, which is worth no more than anyone else's.