[Politics] Brexit

[beorhthelm]

Slightly odd that no ones mentioned Labours move last night to back May’s deal if it is put to a People’s vote first?

Expected to be supported by a number of Conservative MPs as well.

question is why they cant just back it without another referendum.

 

[A1X]

There is no requirement to continually lay the case for leaving all because you cant stop whining like a child. The vote has been held and the result was to leave, this is the very simple truth you cannot come to grips with simply because you have been told it must still be contested, try not to be such a lemming and have a go at thinking for yourself.
I am still looking forward to taking back control of our EU borders, having more sovereign powers returned to Westminster from Brussels and expanding our horizons globally into expanding markets above existing links with the EU.

The result was not to leave at any cost. The official Vote Leave campaign said we would leave with a deal. Ergo leaving without a deal is not what people voted for and as such undemocratic. The deal should have been sorted by now. It is borderline criminal that it has not been.

As for the rest of your drivel, I refer you to my earlier comment about borders and who picks the crops or works in the NHS.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Interesting read here on the US objectives for the future trade deal with them - https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/Summary_of_U.S.-UK_Negotiating_Objectives.pdf

Agricultural Goods
- Secure comprehensive market access for U.S. agricultural goods in the UK by reducing
or eliminating tariffs.
- Provide reasonable adjustment periods for U.S. import-sensitive agricultural products, engaging
in close consultation with Congress on such products before initiating tariff reduction
negotiations.
- Eliminate practices that unfairly decrease U.S. market access opportunities or distort agricultural
markets to the detriment of the United States, including:
 Non-tariff barriers that discriminate against U.S. agricultural goods; and
 Restrictive rules in the administration of tariff rate quotas.
2
- Promote greater regulatory compatibility to reduce burdens associated with
unnecessary differences in regulations and standards, including through regulatory
cooperation where appropriate.
- Establish specific commitments for trade in products developed through agricultural
biotechnologies, including on transparency, cooperation, and managing low level presence
issues, and a mechanism for exchange of information and enhanced cooperation on agricultural
biotechnologies.

Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures (SPS):
- Provide for enforceable and robust SPS obligations that build upon World Trade Organization
(WTO) rights and obligations, including with respect to science-based measures, good
regulatory practice, import checks, equivalence, regionalization, certification, and risk analysis,
making clear that each Party can set for itself the level of protection it believes to be appropriate
to protect food safety and plant and animal health in a manner consistent with its international
obligations.
- Establish a mechanism to remove expeditiously unwarranted barriers that block the export of
U.S. food and agricultural products in order to obtain more open, equitable, and reciprocal
market access.
- Establish rules that further encourage the adoption of international standards and strengthen
implementation of the obligation to base SPS measures on science if the measure is more
restrictive than the applicable international standard.
- Establish new and enforceable rules to eliminate unjustified trade restrictions or unjustified
commercial requirements (including unjustified labeling) that affect new technologies.
- Establish new and enforceable rules to ensure that science-based SPS measures are developed
and implemented in a transparent, predictable, and non-discriminatory manner.
- Include strong provisions on transparency and public consultation that require the UK to
publish drafts of regulations, allow stakeholders in other countries to provide comments on
those drafts, and require authorities to address significant issues raised by stakeholders and
explain how the final measure achieves the stated objectives.
- Obtain commitment that the UK will not foreclose export opportunities to the United States
with respect to third-country export markets, including by requiring third countries to align with
non-science based restrictions and requirements or to adopt SPS measures that are not based on
ascertainable risk.
- Improve communication, consultation, and cooperation between governments to share
information and work together on SPS issues in a transparent manner, including on new
technologies.
3
- Establish an active SPS Chapter Committee that will discuss bilateral and third party SPS
specific trade concerns, regulatory cooperation, and implementation of good regulatory practices.

Obviously that's just The USA's objectives and it's a 'negotiation' between equals, so I'm sure we'll find some common ground and it'll all be fine.

 

[Baker lite]

https://twitter.com/michael_heaver/status/1101393888588251136?s=21
Project panic will not like this terrible news.





On our way.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I'm posting here frequently with new manufacturing news every week. It doesn't tell me things are going down the pan.

More manufacturing news just this morning that might interest you - https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-b...t-record-pace-before-brexit-pmi-idUKKCN1QI46V

 

[Two Professors]

So lots more posts full of whataboutism, but no response on what you claim to be your specialist subject ?



I'm beginning to wonder whether you were really a forklift driver or whether you just said it to 'big yourself up' like the Bryan Robson stories

Perhaps if you actually read my replies to other posters on the subject of sending pallets into the EU after Brexit,you wouldn't appear quite so dense.
Meanwhile,everybody is waiting for the many questions posed to you without answer to be dealt with.Like the import duties on goods manufactured and sold within Great Britain,or the many WTO questions posed.You keep on telling us you're the expert.Perhaps if you cut back on the insults you might have time to answer people in a polite manner.If you have made mistakes,just be a man and own up to them,instead of behaving like a momentum troll.

 

[Baldseagull]

I'm posting here frequently with new manufacturing news every week. It doesn't tell me things are going down the pan.

Siemens have premises in every EU country, in fact most countries of the planet, they were never likely to pull out of Britain. Siemens spends more than 5 Billion Euros a year on R&D, at 177 R&D sites, 101 are in Europe. To spend £6.5 million in the UK is welcome, but don't see it as a ringing endorsement of Brexit Britain.

 

[Stat Brother]

What a mess.

That it is although on the bright side we only have

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of this mess left.

 

[Bold Seagull]

That it is although on the bright side we only have

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of this mess left.

We obviously rebrand what happens after, as I don't think 'mess' is going carry sufficient weight.

 

[Two Professors]

I see the posts about lower standards for drugs has been raised yet again.Perhaps the silly people drivelling on about something they know little about,should start wondering about how billions of people around the World take non-EU drugs,and aren't dying like flies.The only unique thing about the EU is the sea of paperwork and bureaucracy.

 

[Stat Brother]

We obviously rebrand what happens after, as I don't think 'mess' is going carry sufficient weight.

'Brave new world'
Or
'Clusterf**k'.

 

[Baker lite]

I don’t know about you but I’m outraged!More shocking news.
https://twitter.com/jefferson_mfg/status/1101406514525409286?s=21






On our way.

 

[Baker lite]

Siemens have premises in every EU country, in fact most countries of the planet, they were never likely to pull out of Britain. Siemens spends more than 5 Billion Euros a year on R&D, at 177 R&D sites, 101 are in Europe. To spend £6.5 million in the UK is welcome, but don't see it as a ringing endorsement of Brexit Britain.

Bet the evenings fly by round yours,cheerful soul you seem..





On our way.

 

[Bold Seagull]

'Brave new world'
Or
'Clusterf**k'.

If we're going to go the dystopian novel title route, then Zamyatin's 'We' could be used as a prefix to any number of variations.

It's probably a good time to be a dystopian fiction writer as you could easily then get into non fiction pretty quickly.

 

[Baldseagull]

Perhaps if you actually read my replies to other posters on the subject of sending pallets into the EU after Brexit,you wouldn't appear quite so dense.
Meanwhile,everybody is waiting for the many questions posed to you without answer to be dealt with.Like the import duties on goods manufactured and sold within Great Britain,or the many WTO questions posed.You keep on telling us you're the expert.Perhaps if you cut back on the insults you might have time to answer people in a polite manner.If you have made mistakes,just be a man and own up to them,instead of behaving like a momentum troll.

come on 2P, never has a contributor clung on to their errors as steadfastly as you have!

 

[ManOfSussex]

I see The Government have just given the magic money tree another shake and bunged £33m to Eurotunnel to stop them asking awkward questions over the no deal ferry contracts.

 

[Baker lite]

More money well spent..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ess-conference-eu-press-freedom-a8801656.html





On our way.

 

[Baldseagull]

I don’t know about you but I’m outraged!More shocking news.
https://twitter.com/jefferson_mfg/status/1101406514525409286?s=21






On our way.

That is about 0.11% of their global R&D budget coming to Britain, they must think we are such a good bet.

 

[ManOfSussex]

If we're going to go the dystopian novel title route, then Zamyatin's 'We' could be used as a prefix to any number of variations.

It's probably a good time to be a dystopian fiction writer as you could easily then get into non fiction pretty quickly.

You're too cynical. David Davis categorically stated we won't be 'plunged into a Mad Max-style world borrowed from dystopian fiction'.

That's as cast iron an assurance as you can get that it won't happen.

 

[The Clamp]

All these little scraps of "good news" Ppf/Baker Lite keeps dredging up pale in comparison to the £500m a week Brexit is costing us.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/29/britain-bill-brexit-hits-500-million-pounds-a-week


But then rabid Brexiteers like him have never been known for their grip on reality