[Politics] Brexit

[Two Professors]

To be fair, I think [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] would run a million miles at the merest whiff of anarchy. Just like [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION], he will stamp his feet, insist he wants 'no deal' and everything that goes with it, safe in the knowledge that it's not going to happen and their nice middle class lives, salaries and mortgages won't be effected.

They both know that grown-ups with a sense of responsibility will do whatever has to be done to ensure disaster won't prevail and that the people who always suffer are protected, whilst they continue with their 'principled stance' against the Orwellian EU. (Which seems to mainly consist of writing angry posts on a football forum).

In a lot of ways I think this is far more underhand and dishonest than the simple stupidity of the other 'no dealers' [MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] [MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] [MENTION=578]portslade seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=5101]BigGully[/MENTION] [MENTION=20840]The Rivet[/MENTION] [MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION] [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION] [MENTION=27463]Tubby-McFat-Fuc[/MENTION] etc

Where are you going to hide when No Deal happens?Pretend you said it wouldn't happen as you were just kidding?

 

[Two Professors]

Not really, the same impediment of No Deal will have knock on impacts. The UK buys in a considerable amount of electricity from France to cover up for shortfalls, for example. The UK uses nuclear reactors which we are likely to have to shut down as a result of leaving Euratom because we won't be allowed to transport the fuel around. Northern Ireland gets 100% of it's electricity from the Republic of Ireland, every single last volt of it, with absolutely no power generation capability of it's own. How do you propose keeping an electric light on if you don't have any electricity?



Distort? How have they distorted it? It seems quite clear to me that what they are warning of is a lack of food. Think about it, if you have two versions of something and you have a "lack of choice", that means one of them has run out.

Who do you think stores the EU's nuclear waste?Will they want it back?

 

[beorhthelm]

Distort? How have they distorted it? It seems quite clear to me that what they are warning of is a lack of food. Think about it, if you have two versions of something and you have a "lack of choice", that means one of them has run out.

because the headline contained quote that doesnt feature anywhere in the letter being reported, nowhere did it say shelves would be empty. and on power, if you believe the EU will turn off all power to NI and stop selling energy to rest of UK, you must have a very low opinion of the EU. im quite sure we import all uranium for nuclear fuel from Canada, South Africa, Australia, they dont mine it in the EU.

 

[Simster]

do you not think it a teensy bit fear mongering to step from the retailer's letter "significant risk of maintaining choice, quality and durability", to BBC's "leave shelves empty", then to your lights are going out?

does it not concern anyone that the BBC should distort something in this manner? the headline and tagline do not match the content of the letter.

Not really. The letter doesn't say as much but from the BBC article:

"Retailers have told me that they fear shelves would be left empty if there were significant disruptions to supplies."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47028748

And funnily enough, Sky have used the same strap-line:

https://news.sky.com/story/no-deal-...mpty-british-retail-consortium-warns-11620380

 

[ManOfSussex]

To be fair, I think [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] would run a million miles at the merest whiff of anarchy. Just like [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION], he will stamp his feet, insist he wants 'no deal' and everything that goes with it, safe in the knowledge that it's not going to happen and their nice middle class lives, salaries and mortgages won't be effected.

They both know that grown-ups with a sense of responsibility will do whatever has to be done to ensure disaster won't prevail and that the people who always suffer are protected, whilst they continue with their 'principled stance' against the Orwellian EU. (Which seems to mainly consist of writing angry posts on a football forum).

In a lot of ways I think this is far more underhand and dishonest than the simple stupidity of the other 'no dealers' [MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] [MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] [MENTION=578]portslade seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=5101]BigGully[/MENTION] [MENTION=20840]The Rivet[/MENTION] [MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION] [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION] [MENTION=27463]Tubby-McFat-Fuc[/MENTION] etc

You may well be right. Their understanding of and argument for no deal is about as substantive and persuasive as those 2 girls in The Kenny nearly 23 years ago was on the Criminal Justice Bill and why it should be smashed though.

They weren't doing too well with it in terms of signatures for their petition as I recall. Rather than approach people in pubs, they may have been better off knocking at doors in Hangleton.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The last election was in June 2017. That was 18 months ago. Would be quite nice to hear from him at the back end of January 2019, when he gives every impression of being more interested in small-minded UK regime change than trying to take any kind of lead in steering the UK through this Brexit BS. Disgracefully mediocre politician to have as an opposition party leader IMHO.

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He doesn't oppose anything. He abstains and sits back to allow the Tories to ride roughshod over everything.

 

[A1X]

Who do you think stores the EU's nuclear waste?Will they want it back?

Even if we thought we could send it back we couldn't legally move it about under international law. What do you think Euratom does?

 

[A1X]

because the headline contained quote that doesnt feature anywhere in the letter being reported, nowhere did it say shelves would be empty.

Not directly perhaps, but it should be quite obvious what the ultimate end-point of their warnings are for anyone paying attention.

and on power, if you believe the EU will turn off all power to NI and stop selling energy to rest of UK, you must have a very low opinion of the EU

No Deal means just that, there won't be a deal. If I rip up my contract with Vodafone and they refuse to then provide me with mobile phone coverage, is that Vodafone being unreasonable?

im quite sure we import all uranium for nuclear fuel from Canada, South Africa, Australia, they dont mine it in the EU.

It's not about where it is imported from, it is about the legal framework for moving it around. You can't just pick up some uranium from a market stall and drive around with it willy-nilly, there's international legislation governing it's use, transport and disposal. Ours is governed through Euratom, an organisation Theresa May has chosen to leave at the end of March. After this point there will be no ability for the UK to move nuclear materials around under international law until an alternative arrangement is in place, which could take anything up to two years.

This applies not just to nuclear fuel but to radioactive isotopes used in chemotherapy. So if you, or someone you know, gets cancer in the 18 months after Brexit you might as well start arranging a funeral for all the good it'll do.

 

[Bold Seagull]

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He doesn't oppose anything. He abstains and sits back to allow the Tories to ride roughshod over everything.

Take a look at Corbyn's and Abbott's voting history on some of the key wrong decisions this country as made, from wars, to bombings to changes in rights, and you'll see they are on the right side of history. It wasn't the Tories who were going to stop Blair taking us to war in Iraq, for which he is now held by many as a war criminal, and yet at the time the likes of Corbyn and Abbott are called soft lefties for standing up for what they believed in.

You can check any politicians voting record here before making rash comments: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north/votes

 

[portslade seagull]

I think you're incredibly naive. The following posters are the leavers with more posts than you on this thread:
[MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] [MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION] [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] [MENTION=599]beorhthelm[/MENTION] (I think?) [MENTION=578]portslade seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION] [MENTION=5101]BigGully[/MENTION] [MENTION=20840]The Rivet[/MENTION] [MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION] [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION]

Sorry to name-check you all chaps, but is there a single one of you that voted leave as a means to a socialist Britain? [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION] seems to think that voting leave will be a major step to making this happen. Personally, I'm not convinced.

Definitely not me. Corbyn would ruin us as May is currently doing

 

[portslade seagull]

Take a look at Corbyn's and Abbott's voting history on some of the key wrong decisions this country as made, from wars, to bombings to changes in rights, and you'll see they are on the right side of history. It wasn't the Tories who were going to stop Blair taking us to war in Iraq, for which he is now held by many as a war criminal, and yet at the time the likes of Corbyn and Abbott are called soft lefties for standing up for what they believed in.

You can check any politicians voting record here before making rash comments: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north/votes

I was a soft leftie then as I was very much against the pointless war being supported so enthusiastically by Blair

 

[A1X]

Take a look at Corbyn's and Abbott's voting history on some of the key wrong decisions this country as made, from wars, to bombings to changes in rights, and you'll see they are on the right side of history. It wasn't the Tories who were going to stop Blair taking us to war in Iraq, for which he is now held by many as a war criminal, and yet at the time the likes of Corbyn and Abbott are called soft lefties for standing up for what they believed in.

You can check any politicians voting record here before making rash comments: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north/votes

More by luck than judgement. He also voted against air-strikes against the genocidal Milosevic, he was one chemical weapons plant outside Basra (which he didn't know was there or not) from being the guy who sided with two mass-murdering dictators. As it stands it's only the one.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Take a look at Corbyn's and Abbott's voting history on some of the key wrong decisions this country as made, from wars, to bombings to changes in rights, and you'll see they are on the right side of history. It wasn't the Tories who were going to stop Blair taking us to war in Iraq, for which he is now held by many as a war criminal, and yet at the time the likes of Corbyn and Abbott are called soft lefties for standing up for what they believed in.

You can check any politicians voting record here before making rash comments: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north/votes

I don't think my statement is rash. Abstaining on the immigration bill is negligent.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

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And a leave voter thinks that this is good if we have food shortages with higher prices.
"It will do us good to go without food for a while, it will make us appreciate what we have got".
And they wonder why we call them stupid, f*****g idiots should not have been let loose with a pencil in the first place.

 

[Two Professors]

Even if we thought we could send it back we couldn't legally move it about under international law. What do you think Euratom does?

If you really think the Eu part of Euratom means it is an EU entity,then you are even sillier than I thought.

 

[Two Professors]

Not really. The letter doesn't say as much but from the BBC article:

"Retailers have told me that they fear shelves would be left empty if there were significant disruptions to supplies."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47028748

And funnily enough, Sky have used the same strap-line:

https://news.sky.com/story/no-deal-...mpty-british-retail-consortium-warns-11620380

Isn't it strange that nobody asked Aldi?

 

[Gwylan]

He doesn't oppose anything. He abstains and sits back to allow the Tories to ride roughshod over everything.

Corbyn seems hell bent on pursuing Brexit, so yes, he will ruin us. We need some strong anti-brexit parties to step forward.

As I pointed out some weeks ago: he wants Brexit and he wants it to be a disaster - the worse the better. We have an election in 2022 and Tories would find it very hard, nay impossible, to win in the midst of a two-year recession.

All those who bemoan Corbyn's inertia are completely missing the point. if he does anything to soften Brexit then it may not be an economic disaster. His big chance of seizing power is a no-deal Brexit.

 

[portslade seagull]

Corbyn seems hell bent on pursuing Brexit, so yes, he will ruin us. We need some strong anti-brexit parties to step forward.

Unless you can cobble one together soonish the game is lost

 

[neilbard]

And a leave voter thinks that this is good if we have food shortages with higher prices.
"It will do us good to go without food for a while, it will make us appreciate what we have got".
And they wonder why we call them stupid, f*****g idiots should not have been let loose with a pencil in the first place.

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I foresee rather large queues at Morrisons.

 

[Gwylan]

Or he can form an anti-brexit alience with the greens, lib dems and snp and stop brexit.

But he can't. Even if every single opposition MP voted to stop Brexit (and they won't), it wouldn't be enough to defeat the government.