[Politics] Brexit

[Westdene Seagull]

Why would they be? Has the Japanese PM found a way to reduce the importance of geography for trade? Didn’t he say that the UK would no longer be the gateway to Europe? So what he is saying is “we can have a trade deal but obviously it won’t be as good as the one you have with the EU because you will lose all our EU trade”

I love how getting a deal not quite as good as the one the EU has is now a cause for celebration. “Haha things are only going to be a little worse rather than loads worse. PROJECT FEAR LOSERS”

The EU won't like it because it shows it is possible to get trade deals when outside the EU. And unlike remainer predictions of 'if we're lucky we'll get a deal with Senegal (replace with a small African country of your choice)', this would be a significant deal. Nobody has said one single deal would replace being in the single market. It's a collective of deals that will do that. That other trading partnerships are willing to do a deal with the UK somewhat weakens the EUs hope that we might be forced into staying in the single market and customs union if we couldn't find trade deals elsewhere.

 

[pastafarian]

You show a strange obession about from where and when people post ..... really not sure it makes fvck all difference to the debate .... in fact it's nothing more than weird whataboutery.

Indeed.
Really not sure either there are rules concerning when a thread should be "visited", would seem a bit odd considering the nature of the site, and i doubt the boss wants to impose restrictions.
Herr T and his lapdog clamp are obsessed though on when people post, must be a control issue and an overwhelming feeling of self importance.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Positive news, some of the more rabid remoaners(not the same as remainers) who are hoping for doom wont like it though. Will run it down no doubt.

Already started .... as evidenced by the first reply to my post !

 

[melias shoes]

Another cost of Brexit being paid for by the ordinary man on the street. Not only did Leave voters shoot themselves in the foot they fired a few shots at their friends and neighbours feet too.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-had-massive-bearing-on-energy-bills-supplier

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...xchange-rate-brexit-news-northern-ireland/amp
It says if the pound drops further.....however pound at highest level for months. Take that bullet out of your foot.

 

[Berty23]

The EU won't like it because it shows it is possible to get trade deals when outside the EU. And unlike remainer predictions of 'if we're lucky we'll get a deal with Senegal (replace with a small African country of your choice)', this would be a significant deal. Nobody has said one single deal would replace being in the single market. It's a collective of deals that will do that. That other trading partnerships are willing to do a deal with the UK somewhat weakens the EUs hope that we might be forced into staying in the single market and customs union if we couldn't find trade deals elsewhere.

Do you know how long it would take? Do you think anyone in the EU thought it would be impossible for us? Do you think that a deal like this will sort out our current position of almost half our exports going to the EU (which is still geographically the closest).

The fact is that it won’t be anywhere near as good as why we have, obviously.

 

[The Clamp]

Do you know how long it would take? Do you think anyone in the EU thought it would be impossible for us? Do you think that a deal like this will sort out our current position of almost half our exports going to the EU (which is still geographically the closest).

The fact is that it won’t be anywhere near as good as why we have, obviously.

Hilarious they think all our problems are solved because one chap says we would be welcome to join their trade union. A person who holds one vote in that union. Does he speak for the other members? We have no idea what that entails , what deal we would be offered, what it will cost us, how it would affect trading standards what they expect in return. The Japanese are certainly not going to be doing us any favours.
What an utterly ridiculous thing to be getting excited about.

 

[pastafarian]

Already started .... as evidenced by the first reply to my post !

I see your point, another one already too
Astonishing isnt it, they are desperate for failure and wish the worst on the country.

 

[The Clamp]

Anyone who isn’t cautious and even sceptical about what one Japanese person has mentioned about this clearly has had their head buried in the sand for the last 2 years.
Those who truly care about Great Britain take these proclamations with a large pinch of salt and we want to know what the terms are before getting enthused by such talk. After all, these empty promises and lies lead to this disastrous Brexit so let’s not lead the country down another dead end.
Trade deals are good news, rumours and the subsequent losing of senses by Leave voters are not.
Forgive me if I’m somewhat sceptical about anything TM has cooked up.
Come on guys, you got fooled once, learn from that.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You show a strange obession about from where and when people post ..... really not sure it makes fvck all difference to the debate .... in fact it's nothing more than weird whataboutery.

Not really. One very late Friday evening he appeared out of the blue and made a very angry vengeful post, wishing pain and bad fortune on Europeans. Numerous people picked up on this rather distasteful post and you really could not separate the anger from the time it was posted; how can someone be so angry and vengeful so late at night? And then again last Friday he pops up again with a slightly incoherent angry post. Posting angry incoherent messages late at night does make a difference to the context.....especially as his day time posts are quite different. Go figure.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I bet the EU are fuming about Japan's PM's comments.

Britain would be welcomed into the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal with "open arms" after it leaves the EU, Japan's prime minister has said.

While the UK would lose its role as a gateway to Europe after Brexit, it would retain its "global strength", Shinzo Abe told the Financial Times.

He also urged the UK and EU to use "wisdom" to avoid a no-deal scenario.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45780889

"I hope that both sides can contribute their wisdom and at least avoid a so-called disorderly Brexit," he said.

He argued a transition period was essential for Japanese firms, saying, "I truly hope that the negative impact of Brexit to the global economy, including Japanese businesses, will be minimised."
Japan is a major investor in the UK, where more than 800 Japanese businesses employ more than 100,000 people.

But in the run-up to Brexit several Japanese financial firms have said they intend to move their main EU bases away from London and electronics giant Panasonic has said it will move its European headquarters from the UK to Amsterdam.


He then urged the UK and EU to avoid the situation that would allow the UK to join them in the Trans-Pacific Partnership - Excellent news

 

[pastafarian]

Already started .... as evidenced by the first reply to my post !

And another...........but one that doesnt know what he is talking about.

 

[The Clamp]

Britain would be welcomed into the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal with "open arms" after it leaves the EU, Japan's prime minister has said.

While the UK would lose its role as a gateway to Europe after Brexit, it would retain its "global strength", Shinzo Abe told the Financial Times.

He also urged the UK and EU to use "wisdom" to avoid a no-deal scenario.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45780889

"I hope that both sides can contribute their wisdom and at least avoid a so-called disorderly Brexit," he said.

He argued a transition period was essential for Japanese firms, saying, "I truly hope that the negative impact of Brexit to the global economy, including Japanese businesses, will be minimised."
Japan is a major investor in the UK, where more than 800 Japanese businesses employ more than 100,000 people.

But in the run-up to Brexit several Japanese financial firms have said they intend to move their main EU bases away from London and electronics giant Panasonic has said it will move its European headquarters from the UK to Amsterdam.


He then urged the UK and EU to avoid the situation that would allow the UK to join them in the Trans-Pacific Partnership - Excellent news

Basically just an absolute non-story. But Leave voters are clutching at anything now.

 

[pastafarian]

I notice none of the remainers who were joyful about Unilevers plans to move to Holland as a sign of brexit doom have mentioned that plan has now been dropped.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...plans-to-move-hq-to-netherlands-business-live

 

[WATFORD zero]

I notice none of the remainers who were joyful about Unilevers plans to move to Holland as a sign of brexit doom have mentioned that plan has now been dropped.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...plans-to-move-hq-to-netherlands-business-live

That'll be the Unilever that said at the time that 'the plan to move to Holland is nothing to do with Brexit' then

837 days since the referendum, 172 till we leave and still no idea what you voted for yet

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I bet the EU are fuming about Japan's PM's comments.

Of course Japan want to do a deal. They also tie it in with visa exemptions.

https://www.ft.com/content/8f0724b8-5a84-11e8-b8b2-d6ceb45fa9d0

The thing is, the EU (and us whilst we're still in it) already have a great deal with Japan.

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/eu-japan-economic-partnership-agreement/

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That'll be the Unilever that said at the time that 'the plan to move to Holland is nothing to do with Brexit' then

837 days since the referendum, 172 till we leave and still no idea what you voted for yet

Correct. My daughter works for Unilever. The move to Rotterdam was more to do with protection from hostile take over bids, as Holland has different laws from us.
It's shareholders have put pressure on the board to remain in the UK.

Nothing at all to do with Brexit.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...xchange-rate-brexit-news-northern-ireland/amp
It says if the pound drops further.....however pound at highest level for months. Take that bullet out of your foot.

Months? Try a few years. Look at the falling level.

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/bank-of-england-spot/historical-spot-exchange-rates/gbp/GBP-to-EUR

 

[The Clamp]

And yet we are told if we question anything to do with Brexit we are told we are unpatriotic. Not a healthy culture.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And yet we are told if we question anything to do with Brexit we are told we are unpatriotic. Not a healthy culture.

I've even seen the words traitors.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sarah Wollaston, Conservative MP for Totnes, was Leave and now Remain. This article explains why.

https://prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/sarah-wollastons-road-back-to-europe

“I started the 2016 campaign as what you might call a soft leave eurosceptic,” Wollaston said, “and the more I listened to the relentless evidence about the complications… I realised that I couldn’t possibly continue to advocate for Leave.”

“When they announced the £350m a week for the NHS, I knew that was nonsense and I was constantly saying to them I wouldn’t go on their bus or do any platform speeches for them.”

“So many people were saying to me, quite senior people within the Leave campaign, that they knew it was false… I thought ‘I just cannot continue to have anything to do with these people.’”

It went broader than that. The NHS is of particular importance for Wollaston, who worked as a clinician for 23 years.

“Going back to the medical side of things, we asked people two years ago whether or not they wished to start the process of negotiating to leave, and it would be akin in my view to someone consenting to major surgery two years in advance without them knowing whether they’re consenting to have a leg removed or a few toes. And I think what we would all expect when we had major surgery is that someone sets out what the operation is, what all the risks and benefits are, and then you can decide whether or not you proceed.”