Southern Rail STRIKE details

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Deadly Danson

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Oct 22, 2003
4,563
Brighton
But how unreasonable is that? Seems like a fairly obvious thing to do, if there's disruption at one point that means some staff can't be where they should be then try running the service anyway, what on earth is wrong with that?

Definitions can be put around what 'disruption' means to ensure that everyone plays with a straight bat

But they won't play with a straight bat. There is already an "except during disruption" clause about drivers driving 12 coach trains which surprise surprise Southern have ripped up and ignored. That is why they are so keen to retain it now - so they can rip it up once the agreement is in place. Again, if it was all about minimising disruption, just have the guard and driver work together all day then the problem is solved.
 




Spiros

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
2,376
Too far from the sun
In their 8 point plan, they propose that the specifics of what are those exceptional circumstances can be discussed and agreed with the RMT. Seems a reasonable starting point to me.

And, even if it were not, we get back to all those other DOO services currently operating on the Brighton <-> London main line that no one seems upset about.
The ridiculous part of the RMTs "safety" argument is that a train can go from Brighton to London without a guard if it is a Thameslink or Gatwick Express train but must have a guard if it has a Southern badge. That's where the RMT lost me a long time ago. It's not about safety, it's about resisting change / political sabre-rattling and all it's done is disguise the fact that the current operator was already underperforming
 






Yoda

English & European
The ridiculous part of the RMTs "safety" argument is that a train can go from Brighton to London without a guard if it is a Thameslink or Gatwick Express train but must have a guard if it has a Southern badge. That's where the RMT lost me a long time ago. It's not about safety, it's about resisting change / political sabre-rattling and all it's done is disguise the fact that the current operator was already underperforming

But it's not just the London to Brighton line they want to implement it on. It's the whole network. How can an old 313 class run without a guard to close the doors when there is no CCTV on the side looking at the doors relaying the 3 second interval picture to the driver on a 2"x2" display?
 




Arthur

Well-known member
Jul 8, 2003
8,741
Buxted Harbour
But it's not just the London to Brighton line they want to implement it on. It's the whole network. How can an old 313 class run without a guard to close the doors when there is no CCTV on the side looking at the doors relaying the 3 second interval picture to the driver on a 2"x2" display?

Why can't the driver do what the guard does and stick his head out of the door and look along the platform?
 




Chinman3000

Well-known member
Sep 28, 2011
1,269
Why can't the driver do what the guard does and stick his head out of the door and look along the platform?

It wasn't that long ago you could still get on a train when it was just leaving thanks to slam doors. People just got on with it. I don't buy this its all about safety BS I'm afraid, its just a scapegoat.
 






Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
Why can't the driver do what the guard does and stick his head out of the door and look along the platform?
Probably because he should be looking forward up the line as he pulls away.
 






Ninja Elephant

Doctor Elephant
Feb 16, 2009
18,855
Probably because he should be looking forward up the line as he pulls away.

What? Where is the confusion here? The driver looks out the window (isn't there a big curved mirror at the platforms anyway?), sees there is nobody else joining/leaving the train and he closes the doors. They close. The driver then prepares the train and pulls away. The whole process has taken 30 seconds, and everyone's happy including the guard who is having a nap in his cabin at the back of the train.
 




Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
72,158
What? Where is the confusion here? The driver looks out the window (isn't there a big curved mirror at the platforms anyway?), sees there is nobody else joining/leaving the train and he closes the doors. They close. The driver then prepares the train and pulls away. The whole process has taken 30 seconds, and everyone's happy including the guard who is having a nap in his cabin at the back of the train.

So the driver has to be able to deal with the possibility of somebody doing a death-or-glory lunge on to a train at the last possible second, while also having to deal with the possibility of the signals changing at the last possible second? Sounds far more safe and sensible to have two fully trained crew members working in tandem, each with their own separate and distinct responsibilities for the safe despatch of a train from a station.
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,940




that's poor from Southern. This needs a gesture of goodwill from both sides. Southern to have no pre conditions on talks but also the union to call off the strike. Striking is in itself a pre condition.

Hardly surprising though,they have no regard whatsoever for their staff ,why would the care about passengers?they're still getting government funding,they're laughing all the way to Le bank.
 


glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
Hardly surprising though,they have no regard whatsoever for their staff ,why would the care about passengers?they're still getting government funding,they're laughing all the way to Le bank.

corner cutting at the passengers expence
 








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