New FFP rules - can we go for it?

[Triggaaar]

Derby spent big, and they are out of contention, with a potential transfer embargo next season.

No they didn't.

They won't be getting an embargo next season then.

Personally I'd rather the Albion build the infrastructure and go up on merit rather than chequebook.

Likewise, but it might never happen.

 

[perseus]

And so it begins, from Sky



New Aston Villa owner Tony Xia says he will spend between £30m and £40m during the transfer window on new players.

The Recon Group, owned by the Chinese businessman Xia, bought the relegated Premier League club on Wednesday from Randy Lerner.

Recon Group is Dr Xia's privately owned holding company that owns the controlling interest in five publicly-listed companies on the Hong Kong and Chinese stock exchanges and many other private companies employing 35,000 people in 75 countries.

The deal is for 100 per cent ownership and will go through subject to approval by the Premier League and Football League.

It is understood that Roberto Di Matteo is the preferred candidate for the manager's job and has already spoken to chairman Steve Hollis and departing owner Randy Lerner and will next speak with Xia next week.

Aston Villa were relegated to the Championship on April 16

And Xia says he is willing to spend large sums of money on players during the transfer window to help get Aston Villa straight back up into the Premier League.

"If Aston Villa can return to the Premier League, the purchase price would be more than £100m," he told Sky Sports News HQ.


"The prize would be at least £75m [if Villa could not get back to the Premier League]. Now we plan to spend £30m to £40m on new players for the upcoming season to reconstruct the current first team squad."

They can afford itjust about)

Villa

TV parachute income £55m v £0
Match Day + Commercial £50m v £24m
FFP £35 m v £13m (averaged out)

so can Norwich and Newcastle.

They will have to unload of their high earners though.

Wages £100 m
Amortisation £20m (useless players that that are not worth anything and cost too much).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...drop-Premier-League-relegation-stay-club.html

Wages reduced by 50%.

Parachute pays for the flops wages.

 

[BensGrandad]

Derby may not be worried about a possible transfer embargo thinking that they have the players and the squad that they need to get promoted it is just a matter of getting the right manager to play to their strengths with tactical nous,

 

[Triggaaar]

FFP £35 m v £13m (averaged out)

How do you get £35m? I think it should be £13m.

 

[perseus]

How do you get £35m? I think it should be £13m.

I think relegated clubs get extra in their first season down. Instead of being exempt entirely?

Gates may go down and they may lose sponsorship income. I think thye can wipe the £20 million value of their players down to zero. May be over a few seasons and considerably more to lose?

 

[Triggaaar]

I think relegated clubs get extra in their first season down. Instead of being exempt entirely?

Blimey, as if they didn't already have enough in their favour.

 

[KZNSeagull]

They won't be getting an embargo next season then.

They will do in January if they have broken the rules for 2015/16.

 

[Hamilton]

Villa spent £62million last season on incoming players.
http://www.soccernews.com/soccer-transfers/english-premier-league-transfers/
That worked out well didn't it. It is frustrating, someone else coming in and throwing money around like there's no tomorrow, but there's no guarantee it will buy you success. Compare Villa's season to Leicester's , who spent less than half of what Villa did.

Yep. They haven't been down here for a long time, and it looks like they want to recruit a manager who knows nothing about the championship.

An owner with no knowledge, a manager with no knowledge and players unused to this league. It will be tough for them to acclimatise.


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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

My only concern is whether we will be disadvantaged against the likes of Villa and Newcastle next season. Recent history shows that those who get relegated can get promoted again. But not everyone. Wolves, Cardiff, Reading, Blackburn, Fulham, Wigan . . . .

I think that we have as good a chance as we would ever have had any time in the last 30 years, but much better in fact because we have a smart owner, a great stadium, a great manager and the best locale in the UK (London by the sea). All I care about is whether we can dio it, and of course, we bloody well can.

 

[Official Old Man]

You missed rule 17/325/56 subsection 125/26 paragraph 4 line 3 which clearly states 'unless you are QPR'
But in reality, had you read the last line on the back page it states 'Punishment for breaking these rules will be a slap on the wrist'
Come on Tony, time for an even playing field. I can see Villa not messing about next season with a new Chinese mega rich owner.

 

[brightn'ove]

Yep. They haven't been down here for a long time, and it looks like they want to recruit a manager who knows nothing about the championship.

An owner with no knowledge, a manager with no knowledge and players unused to this league. It will be tough for them to acclimatise.


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Di matteo? He got West Brom promoted automatically, also the season Newcastle got over 100 points

 

[Hamilton]

Di matteo? He got West Brom promoted automatically, also the season Newcastle got over 100 points

I had forgotten that.

I stand corrected.

Bugger, they're still pants and won't go up

I think there has been too much turmoil there and the changes they are going through will have a big impact. Lots of reorganization to do. We are stronger.


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[warmleyseagull]

Elvis Manu? James Wilson? Only need a couple of expensive turkeys.



It would be dumb to sign a £10 million player on a 2 year contract. We are already looking nervously at the Dale Stephens situation, and he signed a 3 1/2 year deal which has one year to go. To sign a player on a 2 year deal means that if he is good you are in an awkward situation after the first season, as unlikely to get your money back if other clubs come a knocking.



Derby spent big, and they are out of contention, with a potential transfer embargo next season. I'd expect the Albion to announce record losses, for reasons given in my analysis of the accounts for 2014/15, which I will highlight here

The losses announced were £10.4 million, which seemed broadly in line with the previous season. However, if you delve into the footnotes you find this

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As you can see, those losses were cushioned by a £8.7 million profit from selling Ulloa and Buckley. Had those two not been sold the losses would have been £19.1 million.

This season we have not sold any players at a significant profit, and costs I suspect will have increased, as the new contract for Lewis Dunk, plus the signings of Manu, Hunnemeier, Hemed, Knockaert and Skalak have all been for significant sums, with wages that are commensurate with those transfer fees. On the plus side we have CMS's wages off the books.

The Albion do have professionals at the top, and I'm sure they already know to the nearest pound how close the club are to the £13 million FFP limit for 2015/6 (and remember some costs, such as depreciation and youth development are excluded) but to a certain extent we did 'go for it' this season.

Think this could go on the Tony Bloom looks a broken man thread. TBH I am wondering if the new rules are so open to abuse and expensive lawyers that they are worth less than the paper written on.

 

[Half Time Pies]

Elvis Manu? James Wilson? Only need a couple of expensive turkeys.



It would be dumb to sign a £10 million player on a 2 year contract. We are already looking nervously at the Dale Stephens situation, and he signed a 3 1/2 year deal which has one year to go. To sign a player on a 2 year deal means that if he is good you are in an awkward situation after the first season, as unlikely to get your money back if other clubs come a knocking.



Derby spent big, and they are out of contention, with a potential transfer embargo next season. I'd expect the Albion to announce record losses, for reasons given in my analysis of the accounts for 2014/15, which I will highlight here

The losses announced were £10.4 million, which seemed broadly in line with the previous season. However, if you delve into the footnotes you find this

View attachment 74912

As you can see, those losses were cushioned by a £8.7 million profit from selling Ulloa and Buckley. Had those two not been sold the losses would have been £19.1 million.

This season we have not sold any players at a significant profit, and costs I suspect will have increased, as the new contract for Lewis Dunk, plus the signings of Manu, Hunnemeier, Hemed, Knockaert and Skalak have all been for significant sums, with wages that are commensurate with those transfer fees. On the plus side we have CMS's wages off the books.

The Albion do have professionals at the top, and I'm sure they already know to the nearest pound how close the club are to the £13 million FFP limit for 2015/6 (and remember some costs, such as depreciation and youth development are excluded) but to a certain extent we did 'go for it' this season.

When is the date that the 2015/ 2016 season officially ends for financial fair play purposes? Is this a financial year submission or does it run to a different date? I am just wondering if we could see a departure or two in order to balance the books.

 

[yxee]

Seems like a convenient way to kick the awkward issue of fines into the long grass... for three years.

 

[El Presidente]

When is the date that the 2015/ 2016 season officially ends for financial fair play purposes? Is this a financial year submission or does it run to a different date? I am just wondering if we could see a departure or two in order to balance the books.

Most clubs have a financial year end of 31 May.

 

[8ace]

Don't forget all the £m's we got from being on Sky so much

 

[Half Time Pies]

Most clubs have a financial year end of 31 May.

So before the transfer window opens. In which case I am sure that Hughton signing is a pretty good indication that the club have this all under control.

My hunch is that we are about to spend big this year. I think the Callieri attempt was a sign of things to come and Hughton would have needed some guarantees that the funds were in place to challenge next year. He has already talked about next seasons championship being tougher so his expectations in terms of funds available to him in the transfer window will have been reasonably high I would have thought.

 

[warmleyseagull]

Most clubs have a financial year end of 31 May.

Are you sure? According to this site - http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/146216-championship-club-club - 16 of this seasons Championship clubs have June year ends and 7 have May. Rotherham have a December year- end for some inexplicable reason. Possible other divisions are different, but wouldn't have thought so. Not that it make a lot of practical difference.

 

[El Presidente]

Are you sure? According to this site - http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/146216-championship-club-club - 16 of this seasons Championship clubs have June year ends and 7 have May. Rotherham have a December year- end for some inexplicable reason. Possible other divisions are different, but wouldn't have thought so. Not that it make a lot of practical difference.

Agreed, my error! Should have said May/June. No idea what Rotherham are up to though!