Highlights up on Sky

[samtheseagull]

No, because Stephens was on Johnson who scored, so sorry can't see where Greer comes into the first.

you could be right, i see the highlights at half time on the stream so was not
that clear

 

[samtheseagull]

No, because Stephens was on Johnson who scored, so sorry can't see where Greer comes into the first.

your right just watched again

 

[Si Gull]

Please can someone embed the highlights link for those of us outside the UK...?
Cheers

 

[NooBHA]

I am gonna go against the grain here. I think it WAS a penalty but difficult to tell for sure from those highlights as it was so far away but it was a challenge that should never have been made. The only thing that makes me think it might not have been a penalty was why the forward for Derby ended up over the hoardings. I would have expected a challenge to have stopped him in his tracks

 

[Mellotron]

The guy gets the cross in absolutely fine. Why's it a pen? I'm baffled.

 

[Acker79]

The guy gets the cross in absolutely fine. Why's it a pen? I'm baffled.

Because a foul isn't defined by if you manage to play the ball before the challenge comes in or not?

 

[Mellotron]

Because a foul isn't defined by if you manage to play the ball or not?

But surely if it doesn't affect the run of play in any way shape or form?

ie Kompany on Nani was correctly given as red a few months ago, as Nani had to take evasive action. What Greer did didn't appear to affect the wingers path and cross at all. Otherwise, you get into ludicrous "potential fouls".

 

[Simon Morgan]

Incredible finish from Wilson. He could be a real star for us if that clown at Old Trafford doesn't get him back. Having a goalscorer will be priceless for our season.

 

[RM-Taylor]

Watching the highlights back, two brilliant goals from us. I also say that it was a penalty from that challenge

 

[warmleyseagull]

Nonsense. the penalty was harsh in the extreme, to blame Greer for trying to block a cross and not making contact is ridiculous. Even the Derby players were jogging back.

Secondly, if careless play hadn't put us on the back foot arguably it wouldn't have happened.

So reckon we'll disagree on this.

You mean the same Derby players as I can see with their arms in the air appealing for what is a stonewall pen?

 

[warmleyseagull]

The guy gets the cross in absolutely fine. Why's it a pen? I'm baffled.

Legs taken out afterwards. There is nothing in the rules to say you have to have the ball to be fouled.

 

[Acker79]

But surely if it doesn't affect the run of play in any way shape or form?

ie Kompany on Nani was correctly given as red a few months ago, as Nani had to take evasive action. What Greer did didn't appear to affect the wingers path and cross at all. Otherwise, you get into ludicrous "potential fouls".

Come on, Mellotron. Aren't you usually one of those that call out commentators etc. who talk about "getting the ball" as if it makes a foul ok?

It's an extension of that. It is about reasonable concern for an opponent and general safe play, not about whether you are stopping a pass/shot, or whether you get a touch on the ball or not, or even if you connect with the opponent. There are loads of fouls where the ball is played and the challenging player comes in a fraction of a second late, after the ball has gone. No one calls for them to be ignored.

A foul is any challenge that is deemed by the referee to be careless, reckless, or using excessive force. As such it doesn't matter if the a player manages to get his shot away, or put the cross in first if the late challenge falls into one of those categories. Apparently, the ref thought Greer's challenge was careless (laws of the game: “Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.) since he didn't book him.

If the foul had been more central, him getting the cross away might have saved a red card, since it would be argued he didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity with his careless challenge, but it would have still been a foul.


And taking your argument to the extreme - off the ball incidents don't always affect the run of play, should these all be ignored, too?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

You mean the same Derby players as I can see with their arms in the air appealing for what is a stonewall pen?

Not what I saw at the game and I don't agree.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Derby fans were calling for numerous pens (mainly for hand ball ) throughout the game but even they seemed a bit surprised they got that decision.

 

[Acker79]

Just had another look at the highlights. There are two Derby players (away from the goal mouth) who turn to the ref with their arms out wanting a penalty. There are five other players in the shot, one of them is lying on the ground, the other four played to the whistle since the ball was in the danger area. The other four players are out of shot, so I don't know if they were appealing for the penalty or not, but those in shot not preoccupied with a bit of a goalmouth scrambled were claiming a penalty.

The referee gave it almost instantly, so the Derby fans that noticed it probably didn't have time to process that there was a foul for which they wanted a penalty (a lot of people, including the commentators, followed the flight of the ball so missed the foul).

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Maybe I was too wrapped up in it, but I saw the playing on, arguably they weren't really sure what they were appealing for, and we'd assumed it had been given for the blocked header (handball).

What I'm slightly surprised about is that nobodies mentioned Johnson going over top the ball, when he was given a yellow. Seen red's given.

 

[Mellotron]

Come on, Mellotron. Aren't you usually one of those that call out commentators etc. who talk about "getting the ball" as if it makes a foul ok?

It's an extension of that. It is about reasonable concern for an opponent and general safe play, not about whether you are stopping a pass/shot, or whether you get a touch on the ball or not, or even if you connect with the opponent. There are loads of fouls where the ball is played and the challenging player comes in a fraction of a second late, after the ball has gone. No one calls for them to be ignored.

A foul is any challenge that is deemed by the referee to be careless, reckless, or using excessive force. As such it doesn't matter if the a player manages to get his shot away, or put the cross in first if the late challenge falls into one of those categories. Apparently, the ref thought Greer's challenge was careless (laws of the game: “Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.) since he didn't book him.

If the foul had been more central, him getting the cross away might have saved a red card, since it would be argued he didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity with his careless challenge, but it would have still been a foul.


And taking your argument to the extreme - off the ball incidents don't always affect the run of play, should these all be ignored, too?

I take a number of your points, but there's no chance Greer's challenge was careless. It was EXACTLY what every defending player in that situation does 99 times out of 100. If that why it's been given, the ref has massively ****ed up.

 

[McTavish]

A foul is any challenge that is deemed by the referee to be careless, reckless, or using excessive force. As such it doesn't matter if the a player manages to get his shot away, or put the cross in first if the late challenge falls into one of those categories. Apparently, the ref thought Greer's challenge was careless (laws of the game: “Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.) since he didn't book him.

I recognise you as a referee and claim my five pounds.

 

[Sheebo]

You mean the same Derby players as I can see with their arms in the air appealing for what is a stonewall pen?

2 out of 7 in the box appeal - the rest don't at all. Stonewall pen you should do stand up!

 

[Sheebo]

Legs taken out afterwards. There is nothing in the rules to say you have to have the ball to be fouled.

Have you seen the other angles of the incident? It's questionable as to whether there is any contact at all!