samtheseagull
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- Sep 15, 2010
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No, because Stephens was on Johnson who scored, so sorry can't see where Greer comes into the first.
you could be right, i see the highlights at half time on the stream so was not
that clear
No, because Stephens was on Johnson who scored, so sorry can't see where Greer comes into the first.
you could be right, i see the highlights at half time on the stream so was not
that clear
No, because Stephens was on Johnson who scored, so sorry can't see where Greer comes into the first.
The guy gets the cross in absolutely fine. Why's it a pen? I'm baffled.
Because a foul isn't defined by if you manage to play the ball or not?
Nonsense. the penalty was harsh in the extreme, to blame Greer for trying to block a cross and not making contact is ridiculous. Even the Derby players were jogging back.
Secondly, if careless play hadn't put us on the back foot arguably it wouldn't have happened.
So reckon we'll disagree on this.
The guy gets the cross in absolutely fine. Why's it a pen? I'm baffled.
But surely if it doesn't affect the run of play in any way shape or form?
ie Kompany on Nani was correctly given as red a few months ago, as Nani had to take evasive action. What Greer did didn't appear to affect the wingers path and cross at all. Otherwise, you get into ludicrous "potential fouls".
You mean the same Derby players as I can see with their arms in the air appealing for what is a stonewall pen?
Come on, Mellotron. Aren't you usually one of those that call out commentators etc. who talk about "getting the ball" as if it makes a foul ok?
It's an extension of that. It is about reasonable concern for an opponent and general safe play, not about whether you are stopping a pass/shot, or whether you get a touch on the ball or not, or even if you connect with the opponent. There are loads of fouls where the ball is played and the challenging player comes in a fraction of a second late, after the ball has gone. No one calls for them to be ignored.
A foul is any challenge that is deemed by the referee to be careless, reckless, or using excessive force. As such it doesn't matter if the a player manages to get his shot away, or put the cross in first if the late challenge falls into one of those categories. Apparently, the ref thought Greer's challenge was careless (laws of the game: “Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.) since he didn't book him.
If the foul had been more central, him getting the cross away might have saved a red card, since it would be argued he didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity with his careless challenge, but it would have still been a foul.
And taking your argument to the extreme - off the ball incidents don't always affect the run of play, should these all be ignored, too?
I recognise you as a referee and claim my five pounds.A foul is any challenge that is deemed by the referee to be careless, reckless, or using excessive force. As such it doesn't matter if the a player manages to get his shot away, or put the cross in first if the late challenge falls into one of those categories. Apparently, the ref thought Greer's challenge was careless (laws of the game: “Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.) since he didn't book him.
You mean the same Derby players as I can see with their arms in the air appealing for what is a stonewall pen?
Legs taken out afterwards. There is nothing in the rules to say you have to have the ball to be fouled.