Sunday: do you believe in Jesus? Do you love Jesus? Do you trust Jesus?

[DavePage]

So back in the day, the guy is writing a cheque (on his tablet, no doubt) asks the missus, “What year is it?”
Oh, 641 BC.
Thanks Hun, nice body BTW.

Bloody psychics

 

[symyjym]

Did you know that con men target religious people?

Wouldn't surprise me. It's a good way to gain someones trust, and make it look like you share the same values.

I've often wondered if wearing a chain and cross could make things swing in your favour under certain circumstances. It could help in a job interview or business deal, not just conning people.

 

[gregbrighton]

Well, no doubt,not sure about that, the gospels were brought together some 400 years after his aged death, similar to us writing about Tudor times today. Jesus is not a name its a title, meaning leader. No mention of this man is made by contemporary historians at that time in history, living resurrection was used in many religions prior to the figure of Jesus arriving in history, little mention is made of his twin brother either at his birth, life or death. As widely portrayed this figure was not a six foot tall, Caucasian with ginger hair.

In answer to your question and holding with Christian values, I find it difficult to believe that the figure portrayed and taught to us throughout our lives is a true reflection of what happened and may even have been fiction.

I agree with this. Lots of writings about him sprang up after his death by people who never knew him alive.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

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Maybe in two thousand years the X-men will be believed to be true and be thrust down our throats by brainwashed fanatical cults for governmental purposes, much in the way Jesus seems to be nowadays.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the *******s aren't out to get you.

 

[Coldeanseagull]

I've always found if you need a trustworthy chippy, use checkatrade

 

[KVLT]

A carpenter who got himself nailed to some planks should never be considered worthy of idolatry in my opinion.

 

[DavePage]

A carpenter who got himself nailed to some planks should never be considered worthy of idolatry in my opinion.

Hey he’s not the only one to manage that, to a lesser extent admittedly

 

[Brighton Mod]

I haven't heard of the Jesus twin theory, but I guess someone has come up with it to explain the resurrection. I don’t believe this for a minute though because one of them would have had to agree to being crucified in a self defeating elaborate hoax. The resurrection story was added later anyway.

It is however believed that Jesus could have been the son of a Roman soldier called Tiberius Pantera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius_Iulius_Abdes_Pantera so he may well have been Caucasian in appearance.

James the Just, the twin brother of Jesus noted in Matthew 13.55 and Mark 6.3, not a theory, the bible tells of it, but the church and its promoters seemingly don't promulgate it and many church followers don't know of it.

'jesus was the spiritual leader and James the political leader.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

It is however believed that Jesus could have been the son of a Roman soldier called Tiberius Pantera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius_Iulius_Abdes_Pantera so he may well have been Caucasian in appearance.

I heard it was a Roman centurion called Naughtius Maximus

 

[beorhthelm]

James the Just, the twin brother of Jesus noted in Matthew 13.55 and Mark 6.3, not a theory, the bible tells of it, but the church and its promoters seemingly don't promulgate it and many church followers don't know of it.

'jesus was the spiritual leader and James the political leader.

being quite specific now about stories you earlier pointed out have little contemporary record.

 

[Stat Brother]

There is something to be said for the good that can be found in religion, irrespective of which one.
Unfortunately that all pales into insignificance by the shit that happens in the name of religion.

Sadly that's such a massive net minus, it's a no from me.

 

[goldstone]

Was there a guy called Jesus around that time? Yeah probably, he may have done good things for people too. Was he the son of god? Errr no.

This is correct. Lots of people do good things for other people, even me on occasion, but I don't claim to be the son of any god.

 

[Brighton Mod]

being quite specific now about stories you earlier pointed out have little contemporary record.

specific in answer to the question that it was not my theory that 'jesus' had a brother. however I did not claim it as being either true or accurate, just what is written in the bible

 

[symyjym]

James the Just, the twin brother of Jesus noted in Matthew 13.55 and Mark 6.3, not a theory, the bible tells of it, but the church and its promoters seemingly don't promulgate it and many church followers don't know of it.

'jesus was the spiritual leader and James the political leader.

Matthew 13.55 and Mark 6.3 doesn't refer to James as a twin though, only as a brother.

I can see something on the web that suggests he could have been a full brother as opposed to his other half brothers and sisters, but not a twin.

The twin bit is only a theory. A fun one tbf

 

[Brighton Mod]

Matthew 13.55 and Mark 6.3 doesn't refer to James as a twin though, only as a brother.

I can see something on the web that suggests he could have been a full brother as opposed to his other half brothers and sisters, but not a twin.

dig deeper and you will find an answer, look under Thomas, it may or may not be true, accurate fiction or something else, but its not MY theory.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Well, no doubt,not sure about that, the gospels were brought together some 400 years after his aged death, similar to us writing about Tudor times today. Jesus is not a name its a title, meaning leader. No mention of this man is made by contemporary historians at that time in history, living resurrection was used in many religions prior to the figure of Jesus arriving in history, little mention is made of his twin brother either at his birth, life or death. As widely portrayed this figure was not a six foot tall, Caucasian with ginger hair.

In answer to your question and holding with Christian values, I find it difficult to believe that the figure portrayed and taught to us throughout our lives is a true reflection of what happened and may even have been fiction.

Jesus is mention by contemporary historians both Roman and Jewish. Tactitus, Pliny the Younger and Josephus respectively.
James was his younger brother, who was also killed, by being stoned.

The gospels and letters were written between 48AD and 90AD, so starting within 15 years of his death. Clement of Rome mentioned at least eight New Testament books (A.D. 95). Ignatius of Antioch acknowledged about seven books (A.D. 115). Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books (A.D. 108). Later, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books (A.D. 185). Hippolytus recognized 22 books (A.D. 170-235). The New Testament books receiving the most controversy were Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, and 3 John.

The first “canon” was the Muratorian Canon, which was compiled in A.D. 170. The Muratorian Canon included all of the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, and 3 John. In A.D. 363, the Council of Laodicea stated that only the Old Testament (along with the Apocrypha) and the 27 books of the New Testament were to be read in the churches. The Council of Hippo (A.D. 393) and the Council of Carthage (A.D. 397) also affirmed the same 27 books as authoritative.

 

[Brighton Mod]

Jesus is mention by contemporary historians both Roman and Jewish. Tactitus, Pliny the Younger and Josephus respectively.
James was his younger brother, who was also killed, by being stoned.

The gospels and letters were written between 48AD and 90AD, so starting within 15 years of his death. Clement of Rome mentioned at least eight New Testament books (A.D. 95). Ignatius of Antioch acknowledged about seven books (A.D. 115). Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books (A.D. 108). Later, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books (A.D. 185). Hippolytus recognized 22 books (A.D. 170-235). The New Testament books receiving the most controversy were Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, and 3 John.

The first “canon” was the Muratorian Canon, which was compiled in A.D. 170. The Muratorian Canon included all of the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, and 3 John. In A.D. 363, the Council of Laodicea stated that only the Old Testament (along with the Apocrypha) and the 27 books of the New Testament were to be read in the churches. The Council of Hippo (A.D. 393) and the Council of Carthage (A.D. 397) also affirmed the same 27 books as authoritative.

You could be correct or otherwise as my knowledge does not stretch to challenge your response, Pliny, Tactitus and Clement of Rome are figures I have not studied or cut and pasted from the internet. Hence the debate continues, do I believe this or that, the Bible or the internet. But my original response to the question posted still remains, 'jesus' son of whoever was in all probability not 6 foot tall, neither ginger, (not many tall ginger Italians) and the character not widely written about by contemporaries. Regarding his brother, brothers or twin this would be news to a majority of people who have never heard of this.
that it was not my theory

 

[symyjym]

You could be correct or otherwise as my knowledge does not stretch to challenge your response, Pliny, Tactitus and Clement of Rome are figures I have not studied or cut and pasted from the internet. Hence the debate continues, do I believe this or that, the Bible or the internet. But my original response to the question posted still remains, 'jesus' son of whoever was in all probability not 6 foot tall, neither ginger, (not many tall ginger Italians) and the character not widely written about by contemporaries. Regarding his brother, brothers or twin this would be news to a majority of people who have never heard of this.
that it was not my theory

To be fair this is the first I heard of Jesus being ginger

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The idea of arguing the toss about the existence of Jesus or (more to the point) his divinity and the existence of God, is barmy. If you believe, that's good enough. Personally I think belief is what we do to make ourselves feel better, and the harder it is to prove something, the more we believe, the better we feel. Also, personally, I think this is all bollocks, and if I ever decide I believe that Jesus will protect me if I fall in front of a moving train, feel free to give me a ****ing great big shove.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Jesus is mention by contemporary historians both Roman and Jewish. .

They weren't contemporary accounts, they date to some 50 -100 years after the supposed life of Jesus. They are though evidence of the earliy christian cult.