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we have all had good times on a plumper.......not sure "used them" is very PC
Totally misread the post at first and thought the thread had seriously veered off at a tangent with the mention of a plumber
we have all had good times on a plumper.......not sure "used them" is very PC
to be quite frank a lot of people on here are saying what they want to be the case rather than looking at cold hard facts. Here are a few facts
At the last election;
5% of the total electorate voted Liberal
8% of the total electorate voted UKIP
20% voted Labour
24% Voted Conservative
9% voted Green SNP Plaid Cymru or one of the irish parties
34% didnt vote
The largest block is the non voters. the reality is the labour party dont need to win even one Tory liberal or Ukip voter over, if the can get sufficient non voters to vote for them. The younger one is the less likely they are to have voted. also the lower your income the less likely you are to have voted.
these are all statistical facts.
Some opinions. I personally dont believe any of the labour leadership candidate are likely to lead a party to an absolute majority. I believe the next election result is likely to be a hung parliament. The last election showed Britain to be very divided politically, I see no reason to believe this will change with the massive austerity programme coming our way. To see a hung parliament the tories need to lose 6 seats. I think this will happen before the next election though bye election losses.
What is dividing the UK isnt the traditional left/right split as we have seen in the past, but those advocating austerity in some way made up of traditional mainstream politicians of the tories and most of the labour MP's and an anti austerity grouping made up of the greens SNP Plaid and about 40-50 labour MP's. Whilst this may loosely relate to a left right split it doesnt explain for all views.
A lot of the non voters dont identify with either the Labour or Tory party. seeing them as outmoded and not speaking to them. This is why both the nationalist parties did so well. However the vast majority of non voters are made up of younger and or poorer voters. These are the ones feeling the pain of austerity most directly. A party that can mobilise these voters can potentially at least double their votes. The Tories cant do that. The 3 mainstream labour leaders cant do this. Jeremy Corbyn potentially can and seems to be doing it. 140.000 people have registered join or vote as a supporter of the labour party since May. Overwhelmingly they are either young voters or trade unionists like myself. I believe what we are seeing with Jeremy Corbyn shows which way they are voting.
Last year at the Scottish independence referendum we saw a mass mobilisation behind a yes vote. this mobilisation carried over to the general election where you saw high turnouts in areas of traditionally low turnouts. Young people are waking up to the reality of austerity and dont like what it means for them. Quite rightly too. If austerity will be hard for a 50 year ...imagine how much harder it will be felt by a 20 year old. They are paying for the mistakes of the older generation and are consequently rejecting the political solutions of the older generation.
Now very clearly although there is some correlatory evidence to back up my opinion, it is an opinion. it may be wrong. But i do know all the nonsense spouted about how a left wing candidate will take us back to the 1980's is meaningless to young people. To have any memory good or bad of politics in the 1980's youd have to be over 40. People are far more likely to respond to direct personal experiences than some nonsense spouted about how bad the left were under Michael Foot.
Finally one interesting thing I have noticed is how silent leading Tory politicians have been about this all. True they are enjoying the disarray of the labour party and who can blame them. Id be having a great time if they were in such disarray. Which they will be in 12 months when the Euro referendum bites. But don't think for a second they don't see the same statistics I do and can work out the same conclusions I do. They are quiet because they are afraid of what Corbyn is raising and planning how to counter it. The gang of 3 labour candidates are so vocal spouting nonsense about Corbyn because they see their political futures flying out the window. I'd like to say I feel for them. but that would be a lie.
Few would argue with your views, but to bring up the past and put them into this situation has little bearing. Unlike the government at the time and Royals who were negotiating, this potential Labour leader was a supporter of the IRA.They were indeed killing our soldiers in 1916 but as you even admit it was a war so that's what both sides do in war - care to highlight what British citizens were killed in that war ? It is relevant because we, the British, started the conflict - we were invaders. We then murdered Irish civilians using trumped up charges as an excuse to execute them. We then starved many others to death. THAT is why the IRA came into being. I don't condone their tactics and I certainly don't agree with two IRA being allowed into our parliament but only a fool would suggest we didn't bring the conflict upon ourselves - or are we suggesting that Germany didn't invite war by invading Poland. But I do understand their beef with the British - I would hold their views if say France decided to invade Sussex and would have no hesitation in attacking their forces.
I have the utmost respect for our armed forces - I have many family members who have served in the Army and Navy and mates still in the RAF - and I have worked directly with the forces in various jobs BUT that doesn't mean we as a nation are blameless for the atrocities that happened in Ireland.
as ive said you dissappear when confronted with something you cant answer , i remember you asked for evidence one on a thread about pakistani muslims marrying first cousins and the genetic defects it produces, evidence was provided and you refused to answer, you can now if you like , care to ?I guess abuse is much more comprehensive - calling people stupid, ****ing imbeciles etc. Wait, I've only just noticed someone called you Bushy - I'll stop wasting my time on you.
Cleggmania was a real thing – the Liberal Democrats had a wave of support on a inspiring and charismatic leader that inspired non-voters and young people whilst promised the earth and to change politics forever. What happened? The Liberal vote went up by a mere 1% and the Lib Dems lost seats.
Apologises its taken me a while to reply -
...But, as Clegg found, young people can present a serious voting bloc and I do think the Tory assault on the young will hurt them in time - not next time but, as I said earlier, 2025 will be very different
You are confusing the loss end of empire , where the majority wanted an end to British rule( and then scrambling to come and live here) with people who wrap themselves in the union jack and are determined to stay under British rule .
mild racism ??where ??Ignoring the mild racism, i am not confusing anything other than you. The empire was lost as it failed to bestow economic favour greater than could be obtained elsewhere and the possible split of scotland is linked. only a couple of things needed to make NI a real possiblity also. Ireland willing to bestow economic favour greater than the UKs and demographics.
This thread is f**ked. For the latecomers a summary of views:
33% - Corbyn is Jesus
67% - Corbyn is an unelectable, IRA-sympathising c**t.
you've gone a bit quiet dave, busy editing your dating site profile seems this young bird is another invention of yours, i bet you had an imaginary friend as a kidHow would I know if its me, if you dont have the balls to leave it up. Nobody has to expose you as anything. You do well enough on your own, anyway, back to your running away from a simple question. Tell me about Corbyns Treason trial.
mild racism ??where ??
i think you're wrong on demographics , a majority of catholics in N.I wish to remain in the union, as for the economic argument i think youre wrong again , and youre applying the argument that led us into the EU and abandoning trade agreements with commonwealth countries.
yes , you do, what on earth is racist about that observation ??= Majority wanted to lave and then scrambling to come and live here. Surely i dont have to unpick that for you
As for the other points, i am not wrong, you percieve i am wrong. There is a huge difference
The Lib Dem didn't go up - it fell by 15% (it was the Labour vote that went up by 1%). The reason that the LD vote went down is that lots of young people felt betrayed by Clegg's volte face on tuition fees.
I agree with your premise though- it's near impossible for any Labour leader to come close to winning next time round, the numbers are too stacked against them. But, as Clegg found, young people can present a serious voting bloc and I do think the Tory assault on the young will hurt them in time - not next time but, as I said earlier, 2025 will be very different
Cleggmania was 2010 and their vote did go up.
you really have to ask why british lives are more valuable than foreign ones ?? really ? if you have to ask that question you probably wont understand the answer , there is one space aboard a lifeboat , two blokes exactly the same , one british, one mexican , you alone decide who gets the space, you know nothing about either, who would you give it to?
you've gone a bit quiet dave, busy editing your dating site profile seems this young bird is another invention of yours, i bet you had an imaginary friend as a kid