The way I see it, even the most fanatical Green Party voter would accept that there is no way they will get into power in this election, or any in the near future. Yes, they do have some pretty extreme and unrealistic policies, but for me there are also some very important and sensible policies they have about matters that no other parties are taking seriously. Would I want them in a majority government? As they are currently, probably not. But do I think having a handful of Green Party MPs will be beneficial to our government, making a stand for some of the (what I think are) important issues and providing some balance to the UKIP MP's? Yes. I don't really feel any strong preference to any of the other parties and their policies, and since I live in a constituency where they have a small, but decent chance of being voted in, with a candidate who appears to be quite down to earth and genuine, the Greens will probably be getting my vote.
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- Thread starter sten
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How does that happen ?
To swing from the Greens into the Conservatives, more power to you for not being entrenched into any singular political party but that just seems an unlikelyl switch.
brighton bluenose
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You are obviously a voter without much sense of conviction about politics generally - to switch from a fairly leftist position to the Tories makes that pretty obvious!
portslade seagull
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No thanks !!!
BrightonCottager
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I canvass for the Greens and have had Tory 'core' voters say they'll vote Green to keep Labour out. And also plenty of Labour 'core' voters say they'll vote for Caroline Lucas because she's a good constituency MP and speaks passionately and eloquently about issues they care about. The local and national Labour Party left me behind in the 1990s with its shift to the right and brown-nosing to business. Despite some misgivings about some of the Green policies, I believe they are fundamentally progressive and fair. What's going to be really interesting locally is what kind of Council we get, given a much higher than normal turnout. Around my part of Brighton (Fiveways), there is almost an insatiable demand for Green window posters.
I agree with others that the massive growth of membership will result in some internal changes and I welcome the fresh ideas that will come into the the party.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I think you are right and we should ignore policies.
I'm thinking of voting for Paul O'Grady because he seems a nice man who isn't clueless, isn't a wet blanket and likes animals
Stumpy Tim
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I think you are right and we should ignore policies.
I'm thinking of voting for Paul O'Grady because he seems a nice man who isn't clueless, isn't a wet blanket and likes animals
That's democracy!
In the real world, people vote for policies AND personalities. Any decent policies the Greens may have, they're lead by a wet fish
Brian Fantana
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I genuinely cringe whenever I hear Natalie Bennett speaking. SURELY TO GOODNESS, the Greens can find a better candidate for leadership than her?! If not, they may as well pack up and go home.
Totally, totally gash.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Natalie Bennett is IMHO just an Aussie back-backer playing at politics so she'll have something to put in her blog for the folks back home. Sooner she goes walkabout the better. And the sooner Caroline Lucas defects to, and becomes leader of, the Labour Party the better also.
People vote Green in central Brighton because they can see the fruits of doing so: pavements being widened and made more pedestrian-friendly, more recycling opportunities, more general landscaping of the immediate environment, the private motorist being more and more marginalised to the point of being told to off-cufk. Long may these trends continue
People vote Green in central Brighton because they can see the fruits of doing so: pavements being widened and made more pedestrian-friendly, more recycling opportunities, more general landscaping of the immediate environment, the private motorist being more and more marginalised to the point of being told to off-cufk. Long may these trends continue
Stumpy Tim
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Natalie Bennett is IMHO just an Aussie back-backer playing at politics so she'll have something to put in her blog for the folks back home. Sooner she goes walkabout the better. And the sooner Caroline Lucas defects to, and becomes leader of, the Labour Party the better also.
People vote Green in central Brighton because they can see the fruits of doing so: pavements being widened and made more pedestrian-friendly, more recycling opportunities, more general landscaping of the immediate environment, the private motorist being more and more marginalised to the point of being told to off-cufk. Long may these trends continue
I voted one Green & one Lib Dems for councillors, and Labour MP. I like what the Greens are doing on the council side
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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i think this election has shown the Green Party as what they are really, a pressure group grown out of proportion. their core theme is decent enough, it just it doesn't translate to the basis for a political movement. so they borrow socialist ideals to fill out their manifesto, but put environment before people and the conclusion of much they advocate would result in the reversal of industrial progress, so impoverishing the nation and population.
Bladders
Twats everywhere
In fairness, the voters in Brighton Pavilion do give the rest of the country a good laugh.
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The Greens
In fairness, the voters in Brighton Pavilion do give the rest of the country a good laugh.
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Actually I'd say a significant part of the country probably holds the electorate in high esteem for having the gonads to vote for Lucas as a polished and exceptional MP despite the two-bob outfit of drippy crackpots that she is currently saddled with.
If Lucas moved to campaign in another constituency and left an out of touch and truly clueless Green candidate to campaign for Brighton Pavillion, do you honestly think the Greens would get re-elected there?
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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In fairness, the voters in Brighton Pavilion do give the rest of the country a good laugh.
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Wouldn't happen in Germany.
Oh, hang on, it already did
BrightonCottager
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I don't think we give the rest of the country a good laugh, but lots of people see this (ahem) city as different to the rest of the country and threfore having a different (radical, progressive, passionate) MP fits the bill perfectly. On the doorsteps some people moan about the Green-led Council's record on recycling (could be better but now higher than it was under Labour), 20 mph speed limits (road accidents down, better air quality), housing (200 Council homes built - the first in 30 years) and business (thriving private sector, London Road rejuvenated) but present them with the actual record and the prejudice begins to dissipate.In fairness, the voters in Brighton Pavilion do give the rest of the country a good laugh.
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martin tyler
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- Jan 25, 2013
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What you don't take into account is the fact you know nothing about me.
When I voted last time I voted as a student who lived in the area and voted for Caroline as believed she would be good for Brighton. 5 years later I still believe she would be good for Brighton and has been a good MP.
However in the past 5 years I have moved from there. A lot of the ideas spouted about by the Green leader would IMHO be a disaster. In addition due to schemes introduced by the conservative government I now own a house, I got help setting up a business and I have taken great strides forward. I would like to see them finish the job they started as in my opinion they have done a good job. Your right I am not set in my political ways and do not ever intend to be.
martin tyler
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- Jan 25, 2013
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It is unlikely but there are reasons.
Last time I voted I was a student, thought Caroline Lucas would make an excellent MP and did not have to many cares in the world.
Fast forward 5 years I still think Caroline Lucas is an excellent MP but I do not live in the Brighton Pavilion area. The Green Party leader IMHO is a disaster.
In addition over the past 5 years I've been able to buy a house that's to schemes introduced by the conservatives, build a good solid business and in general take control of my life. I put a lot of this down to how they have run the country and would like to see them finish the job they have started. Your right I have no set political box and doubt I ever will but I will vote for the party I believe will do best by myself.
For the first time I have the opportunity to vote Green and I think I probably will.
Where I live, as the saying goes 'you can stick a blue rosette on a hat stand and it'll get voted in', so my vote is irrelevant.
But having seen the major parties fall over themselves to be more fascist in an attempt to win back the new breed of UKIPists.
I see the benefit to this kind of tactical voting.
The last thing I want is a Green government but I want there to be 'green' thought within policy making.
Where I live, as the saying goes 'you can stick a blue rosette on a hat stand and it'll get voted in', so my vote is irrelevant.
But having seen the major parties fall over themselves to be more fascist in an attempt to win back the new breed of UKIPists.
I see the benefit to this kind of tactical voting.
The last thing I want is a Green government but I want there to be 'green' thought within policy making.
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Not good enough for a political party? The Greens have been in government in Germany, Finland, Norway, Iceland and a couple of other places that I can't remember off the top of my head. They've actually provided the foreign secretary in Germany. It suggest that they're a bit more than a pressure group.
They're held back in the UK by the lack of PR, but in most countries, they're a serious political force
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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i don't see that you can base a rounded political movement upon a single issue. put it this way, what is "greenism", as a ideology along side conservatism, socialism, liberalism etc. i see rehashed socialist policies, but their ultimate aims are inconsistent with the industrial world that socialism is very happy to maintain (but change ownership and control of). its a bit like having the Health party or the Education party, UK Independence party, a big focus on one issue but otherwise stealing others clothes.
when i see them up along side the other parties they dont seem to fit. maybe its their leader, while i have sympathies with the other party's objectives (even if i disagree with them or their method), i don't for the greens. all parties accept a good slice of green policy as default, like providing a health service or education is seen as a given now ( the debates are over delivery).