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We have a national debt of about £1.5T



ferring seagull

Well-known member
Dec 30, 2010
4,607
Hang on now !

National Debt is something that we shouldn't necessarily be proud of but ,

Like many other countries in the upper echalon, we need to keep 'our's' within reasonable limits.

The debt which the UK was left following the last election was not clever given the the policies of the prevous administration and their spend (to the last day proudly stating ' there is nothing left in the coffers because we have spent it all') .

The Co-alition, whatever anyone may say, has done ( to the best of it's ability) tried and successfully managed the situation given the universal situation ( Economic Meltdown ) with the need to bail out banks etc. ( which either administration would have been required to do ). This has had a profound effect on the situation.

Anyone with even half a brain must realise that money doesn't just grow on trees and that 'printing' more money just adds to the the National Debt by creating devaluation of the pound (which TBF has been substantially avoided)

So whatever policies are promoted by either of the two parties most likely to form a government after the coming General Election, just remember that we have had to reign in expenditure to keep the UK's finances in a stable position. That of course has come at a price because National Government has required local government to shrink their budgets which has had an effect on just about everything BUT the UK economy is doing well ( would you rather be living in Greece ) and with economic growth we will EARN improvements in the NHS, Social Services, and Education etc.

Never forget this has been a GLOBAL scenario !
 
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vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,960
Think about how much money we spend on National Defense.

Now double it.

That's our 2016/17 interest payment.

Seeing as we are spending less than 2% of GDP on defence that must mean our interest payments for 2016/17 will be just 4% of GDP, that's not bad at all, most people are expected to pay a lot more proportionately for their mortgages and get on with it.
 


Hampster Gull

New member
Dec 22, 2010
13,462
Hang on now !

National Debt is something that we shouldn't necessarily be proud of but ,

Like many other countries in the upper echalon, we need to keep 'our's' within reasonable limits.

The debt which the UK was left following the last election was not clever given the the policies of the prevous administration and their spend (to the last day proudly stating ' there is nothing left in the coffers because we have spent it all') .

The Co-alition, whatever anyone may say, has done ( to the best of it's ability) tried and successfully managed the situation given the universal situation ( Economic Meltdown ) with the need to bail out banks etc. ( which either administration would have been required to do ). This has had a profound effect on the situation.

Anyone with even half a brain must realise that money doesn't just grow on trees and that 'printing' more money just adds to the the National Debt by creating devaluation of the pound (which TBF has been substantially avoided)

So whatever policies are promoted by either of the two parties most likely to form a government after the coming General Election, just remember that we have had to reign in expenditure to keep the UK's finances in a stable position. That of course has come at a price because National Government has required local government to shrink their budgets which has had an effect on just about everything BUT the UK economy is doing well ( would you rather be living in Greece ) and with economic growth we will EARN improvements in the NHS, Social Services, and Education etc.

Never forget this has been a GLOBAL scenario !

On previous

Hang on a minute. This is far to coherent and sensible. Actually, bang on.

More to the point, have we taken Oslo yet?
 






ferring seagull

Well-known member
Dec 30, 2010
4,607
By the end of the conflict Britain's debt exceeded 200 percent of GDP, as it had done after the end of the Napoleonic Wars.[4] Once again the US provided the major source of funds, this time via low-interest loans and also through the Lend Lease Act. Even at the end of the war Britain needed American financial assistance, and in 1945 Britain took a loan for $586 million (about £145 million at 1945 exchange rates), and in addition a further $3.7 billion line of credit (about £930m at 1945 exchange rates). The debt was to be paid off in 50 annual repayments commencing in 1950. Some of these loans were only paid off in the early 21st century. On 31 December 2006, Britain made a final payment of about $83m (£45.5m) and thereby discharged the last of its war loans from the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_national_debt#World_War_II

So the solution there was to borrow from the U.S. under an arrangement which would see us only recently settle the debt which we started repaying in 1950.

Sounds great, maybe we can just borrow off Uncle Sam again, he's always flush for cash. Then hopefully by 2075 our children's children will have finally paid off our debts for us.

Err !

We wont hopefully have to go down that road ever again !

If needs be there is always China LOL
 


OGH's Libido

New member
Nov 30, 2014
154
We were just as in debt after WWII yet paid it off slowly over time. It just suits the rich to scare everyone and demand cuts for the majority and especially the poor.

Yeah that's smart. Let's benchmark acceptable debt against when a time when we faced annihilation against the biggest military powers in Europe and Asia. Should be fine.
 








glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
our credit should be good as we are supposed to be the 4th richest country in the world
yet we still have how many foodbanks?
 


Mr Bridger

Sound of the suburbs
Feb 25, 2013
4,501
Earth
our credit should be good as we are supposed to be the 4th richest country in the world
yet we still have how many foodbanks?

Have you got shares in food banks ? That's all you bleat on about.

And cats.
 








vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,960
My household debt is on a par with the national debt:moo:

You should blame the previous occupiers of the house for running up debts and ruining your credit rating, then, tell your Mrs that you are going to cut her housekeeping and tell her she will have to work longer hours. Make sure you tell her that you are making sacrifices too as you are both in it together but, of course, your allowance for things like beer, footy and rounds of Golf will remain unaffected. In fact you can award yourself a small increase as you are the person who has done the hard work of explaining her all this.

Hope this helps ?
 






The Birdman

New member
Nov 30, 2008
6,313
Haywards Heath
Labour win backed by SNP
intrest rates 8% to 12% reposition of hundreds of houses business crashing apart from loan sharks unemployment over 4 million it would mean immigration would go down,health service collapse is this what you want. lets sort out this country so our youngsters won't be paying for our mistakes.
 


Hampster Gull

New member
Dec 22, 2010
13,462
My household debt is on a par with the national debt:moo:

Suggest you bury your head on how this could have happened and look forward only,history is so over rated.

The best way out of this dilemma is to spend as much as you can. Give your wife, kids and granny a credit card or two. Keep accepting the offers to raise the card limits. I suspect your kids will be wealthy enough when they are older to pay for it all and if they aren't then the grandchildren. If i am over stating their talents then dont worry, debts dont pass on to kids when you die so your lenders can pay for your lifestyle.
 






Dorset Seagull

Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
Can someone with a real understanding of economics give a simplistic breakdown of how this all works if that is at all possible. Who do we all owe the money to and where did they get the money from to lend to everyone in the first place?
 


glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
Can someone with a real understanding of economics give a simplistic breakdown of how this all works if that is at all possible. Who do we all owe the money to and where did they get the money from to lend to everyone in the first place?

its God its got to be God
 


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