Gus Poyet complains about player recruitment......AT SUNDERLAND...

[stss30]

Looking at the Sunderland forum most of them seem fed up with him. He still really needs to tone down what he says to the media and has contradicted himself here

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport...-buy-says-sunderland-boss-gus-poyet-1-6364253

 

[Icy Gull]

There are many great footballers who failed abysmally at management. .

Brighton and Hove Albion are the latest to be living the nightmare that backs this up.

 

[London Irish]

He must have known when he went there?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30531089

Wow - a manager putting pressure on the bosses to improve the playing squad.

Can anyone remember what that was like here? *wistful*

 

[Bold Seagull]

So presumably Poyet had nothing to do with Bridcutt and Buckley joining them...

 

[spanish flair]

Not really sure what point you are making unless it is that only people that have played at the top level of football should be allowed to manage and recruit! The current most successful manager is probably Mourinho. What level did he play at? Also, the number 2 at Real Madrid, what level did he play at? There are many great footballers who failed abysmally at management.

Finally, who pays the bills? It's all well and good managers going on a spending spree but more often than not they fail and the manager moves on with his pay-off and the club are then left to balance the books.

How many more times are we going to here the manager move on b*llox, we have had three managers in the last three years and I think with our recruitment during this period, run by someone who I don't think played the game, sums it up for me. The managers have gone but the guy finding the players is still here and wow aren't we being successful? My point is, I would get upset if I had played at the level Poyet did, being told I can choose any of these players to sign by an ex Basketball scout and his football manager pc programme. I am sure a manager can operate within a budget just as well as any PC armed Head of Football or Chief Scout, if he can't don't employ him. Your argument goes out of the window when as as soon as the manager goes you start selling his players. So where is the continuity now?

 

[willyfantastic]

Not really sure what point you are making unless it is that only people that have played at the top level of football should be allowed to manage and recruit! The current most successful manager is probably Mourinho. What level did he play at? Also, the number 2 at Real Madrid, what level did he play at? There are many great footballers who failed abysmally at management.

Finally, who pays the bills? It's all well and good managers going on a spending spree but more often than not they fail and the manager moves on with his pay-off and the club are then left to balance the books.

Agreed - he's put an opinion down with no facts to back it up, which makes it both pointless and incorrect

If you want a manager to come in and moan and spend a load of money, lets get Harry Redknapp in - then ask the Southampton, Portsmouth & Bournemouth fans how that all went immediately after he left

 

[Seagull by the Sea]

Agreed - he's put an opinion down with no facts to back it up, which makes it both pointless and incorrect

If you want a manager to come in and moan and spend a load of money, lets get Harry Redknapp in - then ask the Southampton, Portsmouth & Bournemouth fans how that all went immediately after he left

Why? Are you saying that the Chairman can't make the final decision on the price paid for a player or how much a manager has in the budget?

The point here isn't that the manager has an open cheque book but that he is allowed to spend whatever budget there is on olayers HE alone chooses.

If Pompey, Soton and Bournemouth gave Harry too much money then more fool them!

 

[el punal]

Sunderland fans themselves have lamented the lack of quality brought in by the club regardless of the manager. All things being equal you'd have thought at least one of O'Neill, McCarthy, Bruce or Poyet could have got Sunderland into the top half for a sustained period. It is a problem at that club and something we appear to have in common with them.

That said, Bridcutt and Buckley are Gus signings and they've not exactly set the world alight up there.

What a strange comparison. Apart from this season we have performed pretty well. Think about it - 2010/11 League I Champions. 2011/12 our first season in the Championship 10th (10th?). 2012/13 Play-offs 4th. 2013/14 Play-offs again 6th.

 

[WhingForPresident]

How long before 'wankytom' wades into this thread?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Why? Are you saying that the Chairman can't make the final decision on the price paid for a player or how much a manager has in the budget?

The point here isn't that the manager has an open cheque book but that he is allowed to spend whatever budget there is on players HE alone chooses.

The system that seemed to work well for over a 100 years. Director of Football is a recent invention.

 

[Wilko]

If Sunderland sacked Gus I would have him back in a FLASH. Does that make me a mug? I still love what he brought to the club, my favourite Albion manager in the 30 years I have been watching us.

 

[fat old seagull]

He picked out some gems when he was with us,if he was given money at Sunderland I'm sure he'd make some good signings.

Didn't he complain about his lack of input in recruitment whilst here ? Or am I more confused than usual.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Didn't he complain about his lack of input in recruitment whilst here ? Or am I more confused than usual.

There wasn't a director of football when he came here. Then John Stephenson came in and brought in players like Roland Bergkamp, which is why Gus complained. He then left and David Burke was brought in 6 months later which was the summer 2012.

 

[drew]

Why? Are you saying that the Chairman can't make the final decision on the price paid for a player or how much a manager has in the budget?

The point here isn't that the manager has an open cheque book but that he is allowed to spend whatever budget there is on olayers HE alone chooses.

If Pompey, Soton and Bournemouth gave Harry too much money then more fool them!

I think the difference these days is that most chairman of clubs in the top two divisions are less hands on. Probably because they have other business interests to keep on top of as well. Not like in the days of Bamber when chairmen probably spent more time at the football club!

 

[fat old seagull]

There wasn't a director of football when he came here. Then John Stephenson came in and brought in players like Roland Bergkamp, which is why Gus complained. He then left and David Burke was brought in 6 months later which was the summer 2012 .

That figures then... I can't think that DB can be too proud of his input up to date.
To be fair to managers/head coaches or whatever, I do firmly believe that the guy that picks, trains and instills team tactics within the squad needs to find HIS players.....after all he's the one that takes virtually all the flak when it all goes wrong.

 

[ants4t]

I don't know why you would want an ex football player in charge of the transfer pot and scouting. We aren't just recruiting for the first team, but development squad and academy. This requires a club ethos of what type of players we are recruiting to fit with this ethos, the bigger picture, future team and club direction as a whole. I am pretty sure behind the scenes there has been some ass kicking with this seasons failures, which can be seen by the restructure of the scouting staff. If the system is working well then the manager should be working with the recruitment team to identify the players he wants, this communication was said to have broken down with Oscar Garcia. If the club are going to spend a million pound then I hope the recruitment team has created a whole portfolio on the player, then the club as a whole review that portfolio and the main parties (including first team coach) all agree to the purchase.....

or we can get ***** in who gets a phone call from an agent, they agree a nice backhander, and an average foreign player moves to the club for an inflated price.

Dont get me wrong, I think Hyppia has broken some decent players and made them poor and needs to go, but I don't want the next manager (managers dont stay at clubs very long, often taking their team with them who have been gathering their own database of players) being in charge of recruitment. That said, he should have complete access to this team and there being communication across the main parties.

 

[Mowgli37]

The picture the BBC have used is crying out for a large H to be added to GP's forehead! He look exactly like Arnold Rimmer!

Good spot

 

[Giraffe]

Sack Burke and Barber and bring Gus back.

Who here really wouldn't say we would better off with Gus and the gang back here?

 

[Driver8]

Despite all his faults I'd have Gus back tomorrow.

 

[Lower West Stander]

Sack Burke and Barber and bring Gus back.

Who here really wouldn't say we would better off with Gus and the gang back here?

Not sure.

I don't think you can ever see him as a long term appointment. He's always on the verge of a tantrum unless he gets what he wants and that makes him a loose cannon. His behaviour during his last few months at the club got poorer as his head expanded and he started to think he was Alex Ferguson. Not saying it was all his fault but I wouldn't feel comfortable trusting him as club manager again.