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Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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what a shame you have just gone a ruined that statement,thats whats wrong with kids footy,parents getting involved

everywhere up and down the ccountry ,parents bribe there kids with money,you then get children not being team players ,and all they focus on is scoring,seen it so many times,if hes good enough he wont need money to prove it

At least it instills the appropriate characteristics into players at a young age; to coin a phrase he will be Premier League Ready.
 




what a shame you have just gone a ruined that statement,thats whats wrong with kids footy,parents getting involved

everywhere up and down the ccountry ,parents bribe there kids with money,you then get children not being team players ,and all they focus on is scoring,seen it so many times,if hes good enough he wont need money to prove it

THIS! THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T HOLD ONTO THE BALL IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE ITS ALL ABOUT SCORING FROM AN EARLY AGE AND NOT ABOUT TECHNIQUE AND POSSESSION FROM BACK TO FRONT.
Don't show them a goal till they are 15 and the development would be better.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Make it financial incentives for every 10 successful passes instead... it's the way forward :)

Or not, if he knows he will get a few quid for making a simple pass.

Individual bonus like this affect the way players play.
 


hans kraay fan club

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Mar 16, 2005
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Chandlers Ford
THIS! THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T HOLD ONTO THE BALL IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE ITS ALL ABOUT SCORING FROM AN EARLY AGE AND NOT ABOUT TECHNIQUE AND POSSESSION FROM BACK TO FRONT.
Don't show them a goal till they are 15 and the development would be better.



There's a balance Rev. If you don't show them a goal they'll have got bored at 12 and will be lost to the game, before they had any chance to develop.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Don't see anything wrong with bribing kids - although we shouldn't focus on scoring. My daughter plays rugby on Sundays and I bribe her 20p per tackle. It certainly ratchets up her work rate

And yes, re OP's question. Can't see what the objection would be - seems like a no-brainer

Ups the work-rate but maybe encourages needless tackles?
 




supaseagull

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Feb 19, 2004
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18 in 8 so far. gonna cost me a fortune as he is on £1 a goal or £5 a hatrick.

Can I just offer some advice...

As a coach, there's nothing more that makes out job harder is parents who give their kids money for goals. I would really steer clear of it and if you did go with any academy, you'd be jeopardising your lads place as they strictly prohibit it.

Football is a team game and without the keeper, defenders and midfielders, then players will not score goals.

I've had kids in tears in games because they are so desperate to score for money and then when the goals dry up and the money stops coming.

The other way to look at it is
- Would you give a £1 for every good tackle or pass which leads to someone else scoring a goal?
- How many parents give their kids who are goal keepers money for saving a shot or catching a ball?
 


There's a balance Rev. If you don't show them a goal they'll have got bored at 12 and will be lost to the game, before they had any chance to develop.

I think there is a place for a higher level of technical coaching alongside the crazy world of sunday youth footie,futsal deffo a way forward possibly with junior schools playing this version of football.
 


hans kraay fan club

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Mar 16, 2005
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Dreadful and totally wrong, he will go nowhere as he will never pass the ball.

Broadly, I agree with you that financial incentives like this are not beneficial, although if it stays at a token ONE pound, I'm quite comfortable with it.

It's unfair of you though, to make such a judgement on this chap's child - you have no idea that he would react as you suggest. I'm 100% certain that a potential ONE pound windfall wouldn't affect either of my sons' decision making on the pitch. They want to win games and enjoy themselves. If one of my kids goes for goal, it will be because they want the rush of scoring, and the congratulations of their mates, and hopefully, to win the game. Nothing else matters to them, in my own experience.
 




hans kraay fan club

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I think there is a place for a higher level of technical coaching alongside the crazy world of sunday youth footie,futsal deffo a way forward possibly with junior schools playing this version of football.

Agree entirely. Futsal does have GOALS, though!
 




The Birdman

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Nov 30, 2008
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We need to teach football skills across the whole area of club football schools etc our kids will have plenty of time to harden up we need defenders skilled on the ball not just lumping it out or down the line. It's partly our fault because we all want them to win and we don't encourage enough flair I think it getting better as I have watch a bit of youth football were they tried to play it from the back. However the main problem is the state of our pitches that's why more football should be played on artificial surfaces like they do in the rest of Europe. Had my rant:rant::rant:
 






Beach Hut

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Jul 5, 2003
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Broadly, I agree with you that financial incentives like this are not beneficial, although if it stays at a token ONE pound, I'm quite comfortable with it.

It's unfair of you though, to make such a judgement on this chap's child - you have no idea that he would react as you suggest. I'm 100% certain that a potential ONE pound windfall wouldn't affect either of my sons' decision making on the pitch. They want to win games and enjoy themselves. If one of my kids goes for goal, it will be because they want the rush of scoring, and the congratulations of their mates, and hopefully, to win the game. Nothing else matters to them, in my own experience.

I think I am more than a reasonable judge having managed my elders team for 9 years and now watching my younger as an U16. Currently the younger has a centre forward in his team on £5 a goal, so he never passes or scores.
 


hans kraay fan club

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I think I am more than a reasonable judge having managed my elders team for 9 years and now watching my younger as an U16. Currently the younger has a centre forward in his team on £5 a goal, so he never passes or scores.

I'm sure you are. There is a huge wealth of football knowledge amongst volunteer coaches and managers in this country, despite what the press and common opinion would have us believe. I doff my hat in admiration to anyone who puts in the hours and commitment.

On your eample - A significant financial incentive is clearly not benficial to to either that lad, or to his team, and the manager ought to have a word with his parents, To be honest, if a lad at U-16 is making decisions based on that, he's a bit of a lost cause anyway.
 




Puppet Master

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Aug 14, 2012
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Or not, if he knows he will get a few quid for making a simple pass.

Individual bonus like this affect the way players play.

Obviously it can be tweaked to be a bit more constructive..... I dunno, only forward passes, pass greater than 10 yards, assist or whatever. If it gets kids looking for a team mate instead of everyone charging up the field towards the goalmouth as they used to in my playground, can only be beneficial.
 










emphyrian

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May 25, 2004
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Woodingdean
i can quite happily say that by offering the £1 a goal has not made my son greedy. His passing and crossing is one of his stronger points to his game. He has developed a good little partnership with the boy who generally plays up front.

i wouldnt mind some of the comments but my son plays in goal as much as he does on the pitch. If you ask him to play at the back he will and he rarely then comes over the halfway line.

i thank most of you for your advice.
 


Biscuit

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Jul 8, 2003
22,223
Brighton
I don't really know if it'd be any difference for your son but my cousin (girl) joined the ladies team at a similar age. She's still with them at fifteen. She get's individual 1-2-1 coaching and is very well looked after by all involved in regard to coaching, training, managing her hours on the pitch and diet.
 


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