Brand v Paxman

[Goldstone76]

Proven by whom?!! Please explain why autism rates are going up in un-vaccinated children?

Oh and for your information, Asperger's IS Autism, just a specific point on the autistic spectrum that has been given a different name.

Watch the doc!



And yes Im aware of that aspergers is a variation of autism. Idiot!

Generation Rescue analyzed the data provided by SurveyUSA, and a copy of our analysis can be found here. The most notable results of our survey are with the boys, which is not surprising considering boys represent approximately 80% of total cases of NDs. Namely:

All vaccinated boys, compared to unvaccinated boys:

- Vaccinated boys were 155% more likely to have a neurological disorder (RR 2.55)
- Vaccinated boys were 224% more likely to have ADHD (RR 3.24)
- Vaccinated boys were 61% more likely to have autism (RR 1.61)

Older vaccinated boys, ages 11-17 (about half the boys surveyed), compared to older unvaccinated boys:

- Vaccinated boys were 158% more likely to have a neurological disorder (RR 2.58)
- Vaccinated boys were 317% more likely to have ADHD (RR 4.17)
- Vaccinated boys were 112% more likely to have autism (RR 2.12)

 

[Guinness Boy]

Dear Goldstone76. I've just reported you for spamming. We've already seen that video link on this thread. It has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread. And the 98% of us that aren't a bit mad like our science a little more proven than that.

 

[The Truth]

Dear Goldstone76. I've just reported you for spamming. We've already seen that video link on this thread. It has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread. And the 98% of us that aren't a bit mad like our science a little more proven than that.

 

[Goldstone76]

not understanding autism itself but there have been bonkers numbers of studies on the MMR/autism link, following Wakefields claim (i will note a claim that he didnt even make at first, others interprted and he went along with). there's no verifiable causual link found, every study that shows their might be a statistical link is found to be unrepeatable or flawed. i recall is stat that more have autism that have not had the MMR, than those that did (accounting for the period the MMR was available and widespread). i do know that the MMR doesnt even contain mercury anymore, which as one of the supposed triggers for the link.

Heres some reading for you.. Courts rule MMR and Thimerosal containing vaccines CAUSED Autism and Brain Damage

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/07/07/courts-rule-mmr-thimerosal-containing-vaccines-caused-autism-brain-damage/#_

 

[Goldstone76]

Apologies.. It was in response to anothers comment.. And actually its all part of the broader discussion about whats wrong with the system.

 

[The Truth]

Apologies.. It was in response to anothers comment.. And actually its all part of the broader discussion about whats wrong with the system. May be you should change your name to JOBSWORTH!!

What? I'm very interested in what your saying!? my post was against the person who reported you!? You've done nothing wrong!? Hope this is a misunderstanding?

 

[Goldstone76]

Dear Goldstone76. I've just reported you for spamming. We've already seen that video link on this thread. It has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread. And the 98% of us that aren't a bit mad like our science a little more proven than that.

Your referring to the vaccine documentary? I would suggest you havent watched it.. Its actually very relevant to the broader discussion (about the way the world is run) and was in reply to another who suggests vaccines are safe and that the MMR is fine and dandy.. I have a lot of experience regards the effects of MMR.. my son has mild asbergers and so does my new partner's son..

 

[Goldstone76]

What? I'm very interested in what your saying!? my post was against the person who reported you!? You've done nothing wrong!? Hope this is a misunderstanding?

Apologies to you!

 

[Goldstone76]

If you are going to put up videos of stuff at least make sure it is showing correct stuff. I wont be watching it as i flicked through and the graph at around 1:09.52 is just COMPLETELY the wrong graph to show to put your point across. If you are showing the effectiveness of a vaccine you just look like an idiot if you show mortality as a function of time. The graph you want is cases as a function of time. Look below:


Now stop spamming us as and if you want to present an argument at least have the decency to display the data in the correct manner.

Well thats your opinion and good for you. The fact that you havent watched it just about sums up whats wrong with people today. Accept what your told by the establishment.. Funny thing is that had Albion fans accepted 'the establishment' in 95' we would not have a club today! Back to the subject.. Brand has very valid points, the system is broken and heading one way if people accept what they are told today. Something has to give and unless people (or lets call you Sheeple) change their mindsets then your children and grand children etc. wont have a world to live in. thats the bottom line.. Brand is saying what more people are realising.

 

[Nibble]

Well thats your opinion and good for you. The fact that you havent watched it just about sums up whats wrong with people today. Accept what your told by the establishment.. Funny thing is that had Albion fans accepted 'the establishment' in 95' we would not have a club today! Back to the subject.. Brand has very valid points, the system is broken and heading one way if people accept what they are told today. Something has to give and unless people (or lets call you Sheeple) change their mindsets then your children and grand children etc. wont have a world to live in. thats the bottom line.. Brand is saying what more people are realising.

How satisfying it must be to be so certain of things.

 

[Goldstone76]

How satisfying it must be to be so certain of things.

Well lets just say I have some experience of these things.. ;-)

 

[The Truth]

Your referring to the vaccine documentary? I would suggest you havent watched it.. Its actually very relevant to the broader discussion (about the way the world is run) and was in reply to another who suggests vaccines are safe and that the MMR is fine and dandy.. I have a lot of experience regards the effects of MMR.. my son has mild asbergers and so does my new partner's son..

I know a teacher who's been teaching for over 30 years now. He says the biggest change since he's been teaching is the amount of autistic children per class! It's really can't be a coincidence.

 

[Goldstone76]

It is not an opinion. It is a question of the correct way of presenting data to show something. Presenting death rates is not the correct way to show the effectiveness of a vaccine, no opinion, no being told anything by the establishment, just plain common sense. So why should I watch something i already know to be wrong?
For what it is worth I agree with Brand.

Well Im no scientist.. I read, watch and discuss. What I see and feel is that things are very wrong and we are being told lies. Its all about money and power.. the drugs companies, arms industry, politicians and religions are based on lies and deception in order in control. So your saying the graph is wrong? Fair enough.. but then you say the rest of the doc is also wrong and I assume your also stating that vaccines are safe and drugs companys dont make mistakes? Fair enough.. I dont agree with you at all. But at least we agree about Brand..

 

[sten_super]

I know a teacher who's been teaching for over 30 years now. He says the biggest change since he's been teaching is the amount of autistic children per class! It's really can't be a coincidence.

Brilliant. I don't see how anyone can fault this logic :banghead:

In case you were wondering: correlation is not causation. How many other things have changed over those 30 years? An example you might like, I bet the amount of fluoride in tap water has increased, maybe that's driving the increase in autism? Or maybe it's the chemtrails being released by our lizard overlords? Without data and a decent, peer reviewed study, it's impossible to genuinely isolate one factor above others.

 

[Nibble]

I know a teacher who's been teaching for over 30 years now. He says the biggest change since he's been teaching is the amount of autistic children per class! It's really can't be a coincidence.

They've always been there we just used to call them dimwits ;-)

 

[The Truth]

Brilliant. I don't see how anyone can fault this logic :banghead:

In case you were wondering: correlation is not causation. How many other things have changed over those 30 years? An example you might like, I bet the amount of fluoride in tap water has increased, maybe that's driving the increase in autism? Or maybe it's the chemtrails being released by our lizard overlords? Without data and a decent, peer reviewed study, it's impossible to genuinely isolate one factor above others.

Okay, so what's your reasons for the sharp increase in autism? Considering your so quick to write off other peoples views on the cause of autism, what's yours?

 

[Goldstone76]

Okay, so what's your reasons for the sharp increase in autism? Considering your so quick to write off other peoples views on the cause of autism, what's yours?

You first .. ;-)

 

[Don Quixote]

He is very clever

 

[Goldstone76]

He is very clever

Who?? God? I would agree with you there Don!

 

[The Truth]

They've always been there we just used to call them dimwits ;-)

Until we cottoned on to prejudice behaviour.