Thunder Bolt
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Yes, that's a good example. I was trying to think of one, but you came up with it.
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Oscar
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Yes, that's a good example. I was trying to think of one, but you came up with it.
kevtherev
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Ince & JFC couldn't even get on a 7 man bench under Poyet. Now they are first team regulars. Did they really improve that much over the close season
Garcia is a real manager, who gives youth a chance. If your good enough, you play simple. No agenda's like Poyet, just look at Crofts and will Poyet's number 1 man Bridcutt even get into a Garcia side, they way he wants to get the ball forward quicker
Garcia is a real manager, who gives youth a chance. If your good enough, you play simple. No agenda's like Poyet, just look at Crofts and will Poyet's number 1 man Bridcutt even get into a Garcia side, they way he wants to get the ball forward quicker
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Ince & JFC couldn't even get on a 7 man bench under Poyet. Now they are first team regulars. Did they really improve that much over the close season
9 first team players being injured is the reason that some of the youth are being given a chance. I hope some of them continue to play when the regulars are fit again.
nwgull
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March hasn't really been given a proper chance since his performance against Norwich has he? Couple of 2-3 min sub appearances is all I can remember.
Do you honestly think Ince would have started games in last season's fourth finishing side ahead of Bridcutt then Dicker/Hammond. Or this season ahead of Bridcutt and Andrews.Ince & JFC couldn't even get on a 7 man bench under Poyet. Now they are first team regulars. Did they really improve that much over the close season
Bridcutt and Crofts did the job they were told to do.
It was a job Crofts clearly wasn't suited to, there's no reason to think Bridcutt isn't capable of playing to Garcia gameplan.
Eksman
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Maybe he isn't working well in training so he wouldn't get rewarded with it
Or
He's behind 2 now 3 quality players who can play his position.
I know which one I believe.
kevtherev
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That not the reason at all. Ince has been in the squad since day 1 this season. He was still getting game time when the injured players were available and indeed starting games.
kevtherev
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He has already started ahead of Andrews, so that answers that one. And no he wouldn't have started last season ahead of Hammond & Dicker, but on what we have seen so far, he probably should have. Far better player on what we have seen already, than both of them.
At no point have Bridcutt Andrews and Ince all be available for selection at the same time.
That's left a hole, one which TI has brilliantly filled, causing Oscar a forthcoming selection headache.
But that's how Ince has forced his way into the reckoning.
Doing what job?
As we've both said Gus' midfield is different to an Oscar one, even if TI were to have played I doubt he would have been as naturally suited to it as Hammond and Dicker were.
Oscar seems to be a manager who likes to react to other teams subs and changes. He always seems to wait until the other team have changed then picks his own subs as required. This seems to be effective.
Looking forward to seeing how he copes with a complete squad. Will he be able to keep everyone happy in midfield ? What will he do when cms is back, ulloa is fit and Barnes is being Barnes. Will he stick with two wingers or use Barnes in a wide role, will he rotate ulloa and cms evenly? It's all looking exciting.
Looking forward to seeing how he copes with a complete squad. Will he be able to keep everyone happy in midfield ? What will he do when cms is back, ulloa is fit and Barnes is being Barnes. Will he stick with two wingers or use Barnes in a wide role, will he rotate ulloa and cms evenly? It's all looking exciting.
kevtherev
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What's Bridcutt got to do with anything
He hasn't been available all season. But Andrews has been on the bench when Ince has started, the game against Millwall springs to mind, when I thought Garcia got it wrong that day, as Andrew's experience against a team like Millwall, would have probably seen us win the game. But that said, Ince was part of the previous winning side so to drop him for a fit again Andrews would have been very harsh on the youngster, so fair play to Garcia for sticking by youth. Which was actually my point in the first place. But i'm sure you will come back at me.
fat old seagull
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In short Gus fell into a great number, great club, reasonable budget and everything he needed for a springboard. Unfortunately he acted like he was Gods gift to football and BHA doing well was necessary for HIS future. Oscar different cup of tea, likes to win rather than just not lose and modest with it. OP spot on .... The future is bright and I'll be surprised if we aren't in the playoffs at least, this guy has done wonders in the very short time since his predecessor sold his soul to anyone who would take him to the Prem.
You really are going to have to keep up with your own argument.What's Bridcutt got to do with anything
Ince is now a first team regular - correct.
Ince wasn't on the bench during Poyet's reign - correct
The 2 aren't necessarily connected.
Ince is only a first team regular now because of injuries to Bridcutt and Andrews late arrival.
Not because of Poyet's refusal to pick him, or Oscar's insistence to have him in the team.
But now Ince is there, things are going to get interesting.
JFC was on the bench 7 times, getting on the pitch 3 times.
Agdestein made the matchday squad 8 times (played three times), Barker 11 (played three times), March 3 times, Dickenson and Oatway got one a piece.
Ince didn't sign until February, after Ulloa signed in January we went on to have the second best form in our division in the second half of the season.
I know there's a lot of re-writing history re gus, and maybe he could have featured them more, but let's not act like he never even put them on the bench.
Agdestein made the matchday squad 8 times (played three times), Barker 11 (played three times), March 3 times, Dickenson and Oatway got one a piece.
Ince didn't sign until February, after Ulloa signed in January we went on to have the second best form in our division in the second half of the season.
I know there's a lot of re-writing history re gus, and maybe he could have featured them more, but let's not act like he never even put them on the bench.
Or built his team that was capable of finishing fourth.
kevtherev
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This is where you argument falls down. Who's says Ince is only in the squad because of injuries to Bridcutt and Andrews,,,You
....Because i've never heard Oscar or Jonesy say that......Exactly how many youth players did Poyet put among the 7 subs last season,,,,answer hardly any until he had no choice what so ever. Bit like when Foster-Caskey played against Saints. It was either him or Harley and Harley was getting so much stick Poyet couldn't dare pick him. Forster-Caskey played three blinders, then had a poor game against a prem team and he was never seen again...Poyet was a cock, end of.
kevtherev
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The only time Poyet put youth on the bench was when he had little or no choice. That is not re writing history, that is a fact.
Ince has started ahead of andrews 4 times.
v Derby, the day after Andrews joined us
v Burnley, when Andrews was out of the squad with an injury
v Millwall, the first match back where there would be fitness concerns over the returning from injury Andrews
v Bolton, when Andrews was ineligible due to bolton his parent club.
v Derby, the day after Andrews joined us
v Burnley, when Andrews was out of the squad with an injury
v Millwall, the first match back where there would be fitness concerns over the returning from injury Andrews
v Bolton, when Andrews was ineligible due to bolton his parent club.