" Gus " why not " Poyet " now ?

[B.W.]

No...that accolade goes to Alan Mullery. Div 3 to Div 1, followed by survival at the highest level.
Poyet comes high on the list but you have to weigh up so many different factors with other managers. Russell Slade's miraculous rescue act. Likewise Steve Gritt in 97. McGhee's efforts in keeping us in the Championship at Withdean, against the odds.
Overall, I'd probably place Poyet second behind Mullery. It was a very good job of steady improvement tarnished by the final few weeks when he allowed himself to get distracted by personal ambition and external issues and failed to concentrate fully on the work in hand.
Its irrelevant whether its Gus or Poyet. Its what he achieved and the legacy he left behind.
Most of the better managers in history have been referred to by surname...its a mark of respect...Shankly, Busby, Revie, Ramsey, Cloughie, Fergie, Mourinho etc.

This. Top post.

 

[symyjym]

I do appreciate what he achieved but wouldn't class it as brilliant.
How does it compare with Paul Lambert taking Norwich straight through two divisions and then consolidating in the PL. Thats pretty damn impressive. Nigel Adkins got Saints straight through as well after the ' ten point deduction ' season. Poyet's feat was to turn us around so quickly, from Div 1 strugglers.
Maybe its a case of expectation. Norwich and Soton expected and demanded PL football. A lot of our fans seem happy with Championship football and therefore to consolidate in the upper reaches, represents high achievement in their eyes.
Each to their own.

Agree, three clubs get promoted from league one every year and when you see clubs like Yeovil and Bournemouth do it with capacities of less then 10,000 in their promotion season it puts it into perspective.

The icing on our cake that made our promotion special with Gus was moving straight into the Amex. It is my view that the Amex has more to do with our current position than Poyet. I think that is where he went wrong and he thought it was all down to him.

By the way I use Gus and or Poyet when I write a comment just to mix it up a bit.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Agree, three clubs get promoted from league one every year and when you see clubs like Yeovil and Bournemouth do it with capacities of less then 10,000 in their promotion season it puts it into perspective.

The icing on our cake that made our promotion special with Gus was moving straight into the Amex. It is my view that the Amex has more to do with our current position than Poyet. I think that is where he went wrong and he thought it was all down to him.

By the way I use Gus and or Poyet when I write a comment just to mix it up a bit.

So the record 95 points, number of weeks at the top of the division and winning the league with 5 games to spare were due to moving into the Amex a couple of months later? Our capacity at the time was 8,000.
I get fed up with this any manager could have done it attitude. You may not like him or what has happened but you cannot write off his achievements as 'also ran'.

 

[B.W.]

In your opinion. For plenty, Gus will be seen as the best for the style of play as much as anything.

Or their lack of tenure supporting the Albion. The case for Mullers is inarguable IMHO.

 

[Mellotron]

Or their lack of tenure supporting the Albion. The case for Mullers is inarguable IMHO.

Well, it isn't, simply because others disagree with you. Some rate Gus as the best ever, and there is a very strong case for that, whether you happen to like it or not.

 

[B.W.]

I do appreciate what he achieved but wouldn't class it as brilliant.
How does it compare with Paul Lambert taking Norwich straight through two divisions and then consolidating in the PL. Thats pretty damn impressive. Nigel Adkins got Saints straight through as well after the ' ten point deduction ' season. Poyet's feat was to turn us around so quickly, from Div 1 strugglers.
Maybe its a case of expectation. Norwich and Soton expected and demanded PL football. A lot of our fans seem happy with Championship football and therefore to consolidate in the upper reaches, represents high achievement in their eyes.
Each to their own.

Yes, still FAR too many 'small club mentality' fans on here.

 

[B.W.]

It's also the STYLE of football. We played some of the best football League One has EVER seen, as has been commented by fans of other clubs. We were "****ing brilliant". We didn't hoof or bully our way to the top.

Nor did Norwich, Southampton, and especially Swansea.

 

[Mellotron]

Nor did Norwich, Southampton, and especially Swansea.

Didn't say they did. Doesn't change how superb the style of football was at Withdean that season.

 

[The Large One]

Or their lack of tenure supporting the Albion. The case for Mullers is inarguable IMHO.

The case for Mullery is very strong, and I would go with it.

However, to dismiss Poyet on the back of your tired prejudices has little value.

 

[B.W.]

So the record 95 points, number of weeks at the top of the division and winning the league with 5 games to spare were due to moving into the Amex a couple of months later? Our capacity at the time was 8,000.
I get fed up with this any manager could have done it attitude. You may not like him or what has happened but you cannot write off his achievements as 'also ran'.

I wouldn't say any manager could have done it, but quite a few could, with the backing received from the real hero; Tony B.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

If his name was Steve Poyet, then yep, we'd refer to him as Poyet. But how many other Gus's do you know, that relate to a BHAFC fans forum?

Correct. That.

 

[Mellotron]

The case for Mullery is very strong, and I would go with it.

However, to dismiss Poyet on the back of your tired prejudices has little value.

A sensible post.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

If his name was Steve Poyet, then yep, we'd refer to him as Poyet. But how many other Gus's do you know, that relate to a BHAFC fans forum?

How many other 'Poyet's' do you know?

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

No...that accolade goes to Alan Mullery. Div 3 to Div 1, followed by survival at the highest level.
Poyet comes high on the list but you have to weigh up so many different factors with other managers. Russell Slade's miraculous rescue act. Likewise Steve Gritt in 97. McGhee's efforts in keeping us in the Championship at Withdean, against the odds.
Overall, I'd probably place Poyet second behind Mullery. It was a very good job of steady improvement tarnished by the final few weeks when he allowed himself to get distracted by personal ambition and external issues and failed to concentrate fully on the work in hand.
Its irrelevant whether its Gus or Poyet. Its what he achieved and the legacy he left behind.
Most of the better managers in history have been referred to by surname...its a mark of respect...Shankly, Busby, Revie, Ramsey, Cloughie, Fergie, Mourinho etc.

Spot on. In terms of their first full season, Poyet's record shades Mullery's, but thereafter, 10th and 4th in the second tier is clearly inferior to 4th and 2nd, even taking consideration the fewer clubs in the top flight now.

And then Mullery hung around to steer Brighton to two campaigns in the top flight, avoiding relegation both times.

I loved Poyet's time at the club, loved the football most of the time, but I think there is little doubt that Mullery achieved more.

 

[B.W.]

Well, it isn't, simply because others disagree with you. Some rate Gus as the best ever, and there is a very strong case for that, whether you happen to like it or not.

Sorry, inarguable was a bit strong. But the facts, as laid out above speak for themselves. Gus did NOT achieve what Mullery did.

 

[WhingForPresident]

I think he's a bit of a dick, but I still love him at the same time for everything he did for us

 

[Acker79]

How many other 'Poyet's' do you know?

Diego Poyet

 

[B.W.]

The case for Mullery is very strong, and I would go with it.

However, to dismiss Poyet on the back of your tired prejudices has little value.

I have NEVER dismissed him. The Gus lovers keep INCORRECTLY painting me with that brush. Gus' achievements as a manager are, dare I say it, inarguable. But his behavior outside of that was also unacceptable.

 

[The Large One]

I have NEVER dismissed him. The Gus lovers keep INCORRECTLY painting me with that brush. Gus' achievements as a manager are, dare I say it, inarguable. But his behavior outside of that was also unacceptable.

The fact you use the phrase 'Gus lovers' (as if your pejorative use of it has any value) screams your disdain for what one person told you.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I wouldn't say any manager could have done it, but quite a few could, with the backing received from the real hero; Tony B.

Arguably you could say the real hero was Bamber and not Mullery.