For queen and country?

[Simster]

Er, for starters our Queen is the most famous woman in the world, and probably the most respected woman in the world and rightly so.

I'm not denying she has conducted her duties with dignity, but this is not an argument alone for the preservation of the Royal family.

You wait until Prince Charles gets his mits on the gig. He's an awful man, and one of his brothers is pretty dreadful too.

I couldn't disagree more - the idea of President Cameron or President Blair is a horrific one. The politicians have wrecked this country - I'd rather our head of state ( and it is virtually only a figurehead ) was above politics.

So why can't we vote for a non-political head of state?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I couldn't disagree more - the idea of President Cameron or President Blair is a horrific one. The politicians have wrecked this country - I'd rather our head of state ( and it is virtually only a figurehead ) was above politics.

She has recently put the government in their place. Crown civil servants have a day privilege leave for her birthday and a half day for Maundy Thursday. The government tried to do away with it, thus reducing leave entitlement, but the Queen had granted these on her coronation so it wasn't the government's place to dispose of them.

 

[Simster]

She has recently put the government in their place. Crown civil servants have a day privilege leave for her birthday and a half day for Maundy Thursday. The government tried to do away with it, thus reducing leave entitlement, but the Queen had granted these on her coronation so it wasn't the government's place to dispose of them.

And that's a GOOD thing? An elected government of the day "is put in their place" by an unelected, spoilt, head of state?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

So why can't we vote for a non-political head of state?

Because they will be chasing votes - it will become political. Besides, who on earth would be on a non-political short list ?

 

[glasfryn]

nothing personal but I am republican through and through
my mum would if she was still around be giving me a slap about now


sorry mum!

 

[Simster]

Because they will be chasing votes - it will become political. Besides, who on earth would be on a non-political short list ?

That's a bit of a silly question isn't it?

 

[Camicus]

Pro president Camoron nuff saud

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Total waste of time and money. And besides, I prefer elected heads of state. Get rid.

 

[Cian]

Scotland yes , northern Ireland no, though perhaps you should take heed of your own username ,you`re Irish, in Dublin, we're talking about British affairs, ie mind your own fvcking business.

So, a complete hypocrite then. Doesn't surprise me.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And that's a GOOD thing? An elected government of the day "is put in their place" by an unelected, spoilt, head of state?

Yes, it is, especially when this government doesn't know what it is doing.

 

[beorhthelm]

I don't think I've seen a single penny of this money they're supposed to "bring us" in tourism, however I've a sneaky feeling they've seen some of my money.

thats a bit like say you haven't seen a penny of the money the TaylorWimpey brings us in construction or Rolls Royce brings us in manufacturing.

 

[Simster]

Yes, it is, especially when this government doesn't know what it is doing.

Unbelievable. Perhaps I should just take the law into my own hands when I feel the government doesn't know what it's doing? I don't like the way it spends the tax it raises, perhaps I'll just tell them to get stuffed until I do approve?

It's people like you who perpetuate the injustice of the Royal family. We can argue the whys and wherefores of what head of state to have, but while you're letting them get away with doing what they like, they can continue to:
- rob the people of unclaimed inheritence from people living in the two duchies
- insist they are made immune from various laws of the land
- hide finances so we never truly know how much they cost, purpetuating the myth that they bring in more than they cost
- legitimise a society built on privelege and class

It's a very unpleasant regime and it upsets me that there are so many lick spittles like you who attempt to justify such blatent injustice.

 

[RowleyBirkinQ.C(deceased)]

Edward III sent campaign after campaign to defeat the Welsh, in the end he sent a huge army to invade Wales they took alot of it but the Welsh led by LLewellyn fought back the English. So the Archbishop of Canterbury tried to bride LLewellyn with a large part of English land and a title if he stopped protecting his homeland, he said he would 'rather die then live under English rule and would not do homage to a man who's language, customs and laws they where entirely ignorant.' So guerrilla tactics were used by the Welsh, this war going on for a year or so until LLewellyn was killed. Edward then said Wales was "pacified" but to break the Welsh they needed to stripped of their cultural identity. So the Welsh like to call themselves the Princes of Wales! The name of the most English of English, the Kings first son, air to the throne will be called Prince of Wales.
This stuff runs deeper then most think.

I knew a little of this but it was a bit sketchy, thanks for that Doc. I daren't tell you half the stuff he says about the royals, I'm no monarchist but he makes my blood boil sometimes. But ad you say, this stuff does run deeper

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It's a very unpleasant regime and it upsets me that there are so many lick spittles like you who attempt to justify such blatent injustice.

Number one on my bingo card and I just need "little Englanders" to get a row

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Unbelievable. Perhaps I should just take the law into my own hands when I feel the government doesn't know what it's doing? I don't like the way it spends the tax it raises, perhaps I'll just tell them to get stuffed until I do approve?

It's people like you who perpetuate the injustice of the Royal family. We can argue the whys and wherefores of what head of state to have, but while you're letting them get away with doing what they like, they can continue to:
- rob the people of unclaimed inheritence from people living in the two duchies
- insist they are made immune from various laws of the land
- hide finances so we never truly know how much they cost, purpetuating the myth that they bring in more than they cost
- legitimise a society built on privelege and class

It's a very unpleasant regime and it upsets me that there are so many lick spittles like you who attempt to justify such blatent injustice.

Excellent. I haven't been called a lick spittle for a long time. You know when you are ahead in a debate when the other side start using terms like that.

 

[Simster]

Number one on my bingo card and I just need "little Englanders" to get a row

What would you call someone who lets a person of immense privelege ride roughshod over the wishes of the elected government of the day?

I saw your "little Englander"* hero, Nigel Farage on Question Time yesterday. What a laughable toff-cum-everyman he is. Apparantly the fact that most Scots hate what he stands for is proof that there is a nasty nationalist underbelly of the Scottish independence movement. And of course, Scots wanting independence is WRONG but wanting the UK out of Europe to make it's own decisions is RIGHT. What a goon.


*bingo

Excellent. I haven't been called a lick spittle for a long time. You know when you are ahead in a debate when the other side start using terms like that.

Quality logic there .

If the medicine tastes bad then it MUST be doing you good.

 

[Hungry Joe]

They get right on my tits and should all do one as far as I'm concerned. If I have to see another seasoned journalist acting like a three year old whilst Harry pretends to be a soldier or that old hag mumbles something incomprehensible or old big ears comes out with more cod eco philosophy or the dead Greek one insults another foreigner I think I may actually top myself.

 

[Common as Mook]

- hide finances so we never truly know how much they cost, purpetuating the myth that they bring in more than they cost


.

Sorry but if they hide finances, how does it perpetuate the myth? No-one knows surely? Just a typically snidey comment. Did a Royal shit in the Ayling's porridge one morning?

 

[Simster]

Sorry but if they hide finances, how does it perpetuate the myth? No-one knows surely? Just a typically snidey comment. Did a Royal shit in the Ayling's porridge one morning?

Not really snidey, just a point of view. You could always try and repudiate this:

http://www.republic.org.uk/valueformoneymyth.pdf

 

[Nibble]

Everything in my being says I should hate the Royal Family but I cannot bring myself to have any real feelings about it. They seem quite a benign entity in our current age with little impact on our daily living. The only thing I sometimes get annoyed about is the amount of land they have commandeered for themselves. Other than that I view them as a slightly grumpy old woman with a comically racist husband, a few kids that probably have quite a restrictive life but as far as I can see try and do the best they can (military service etc), one of whom like to get his junk out and get drunk a lot and a countless number of upper class twits who drink sherry and attend horse races a lot.