CMS's second penalty

[The Camel]

Did anyone else notice the weird stuff surrounding the second Brighton penalty last night?

Mason gave it, not a lot of Leeds arguments.

But he made a big point of showing CMS his whistle in the immediate aftermath of giving it.

You often see that with a free kick, meaning the attacking team are not going to take a quick one, they are going to wait for the refs whistle.

But I have never seen it for a penalty before.

So now the ref clears the penalty box and Kenny wasn't in his goal, he was doing the gamesmanship stuff.. having a drink, wiping his hands with a towel.

Then the ref blows his whistle when he's happy the penalty box is clear without checking where Kenny is, because he still isn't in goal!

Kenny then sprints into position and naturally, because he's come from the other side... CMS puts it to his right and Kenny saves it.

What would have happened if CMS had taken it the moment Mason had whistled? Because I'm convinced Kenny wasn't in his goal!

 

[pork pie]

Why not accept that CMS's penalty attempt was so poor that an U13 keeper would have saved it?

 

[The Camel]

Why not accept that CMS's penalty attempt was so poor that an U13 keeper would have saved it?

I don't think it was a bad penalty.

It was pretty well struck and in the corner.

But because of what happened before it was taken, psychologically he was always going to put to Kenny's right as he had run from the other side of the goal.

 

[dadams2k11]

He missed it which cost us the win, end off.

Daggers are not out by the way.

 

[The Camel]

He missed it which cost us the win, end off.

Daggers are not out by the way.

I'm not criticising CMS, I'm saying the stuff surrounding the penalty was really weird, and I've never seen it before.

 

[u'vebeenamexed]

Taking a second penalty in a match always puts more pressure on the taker. CMS should have handed the responsibility to someone else - however with Ashley Barnes as our other pen taker the same result probably would have happened.

I thought it looked a good pen at match but seeing it again on TV it was rather poor and Kenny moved. We still should have won it with the chances we created.

 

[genre b. good]

I thought it looked poor at the match, weak and not far enough in the corner not as good as Barnes' one at Leicester anyway - this may have been perspective from where I was standing though, haven't seen it again on TV.

The first one wasn't great either, straight down the middle and not high enough, but whatever - it went in so not really slagging it off, just not sure CMS should be taken penalties.

 

[pork pie]

I don't think it was a bad penalty.

It was pretty well struck and in the corner.

But because of what happened before it was taken, psychologically he was always going to put to Kenny's right as he had run from the other side of the goal.

I suggest you take another look.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Did anyone else notice the weird stuff surrounding the second Brighton penalty last night?

Mason gave it, not a lot of Leeds arguments.

But he made a big point of showing CMS his whistle in the immediate aftermath of giving it.

You often see that with a free kick, meaning the attacking team are not going to take a quick one, they are going to wait for the refs whistle.

But I have never seen it for a penalty before.

So now the ref clears the penalty box and Kenny wasn't in his goal, he was doing the gamesmanship stuff.. having a drink, wiping his hands with a towel.

Then the ref blows his whistle when he's happy the penalty box is clear without checking where Kenny is, because he still isn't in goal!

Kenny then sprints into position and naturally, because he's come from the other side... CMS puts it to his right and Kenny saves it.

What would have happened if CMS had taken it the moment Mason had whistled? Because I'm convinced Kenny wasn't in his goal!

Kenny got on his line just as the whislte had been blown, nevertheless that is immaterialdue to the fact that a penalty can not be taken if the kepper is not standing on his line between both posts and facing the penalty taker.

 

[kevtherev]

He still should have blasted it straight down the middle. Some of the best pen takers ever just done that and very very rarely ever missed. Ray Stewart and Julian Dicks spring to mind. Fact they are both West Ham pure coincidence. Cms's first pen was perfect, why oh why didn't he just repeat it, even if Kenny stood his ground, which keepers never do, it takes some bottle when you know a ball is coming at you at 80mph, the chances of him catching it are near zero, so even if he gets something on it, it's probably still going in.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

I don't think it was a bad penalty.

It was pretty well struck and in the corner.

But because of what happened before it was taken, psychologically he was always going to put to Kenny's right as he had run from the other side of the goal.

How often do you see a keeper CATCH a pen?
The first was twice the pace & into the roof, absolute madness to change to a soft & low easy save option

 

[Decode]

He was never gonna score the 2nd one anyway, he couldn't just punt it down the middle again. I know Barnes missed one at Leicester, but he's far better.

His one at the end of Soccer AM this morning was even worse though.

 

[goldstone]

Taking a second penalty in a match always puts more pressure on the taker. CMS should have handed the responsibility to someone else - however with Ashley Barnes as our other pen taker the same result probably would have happened.

I thought it looked a good pen at match but seeing it again on TV it was rather poor and Kenny moved. We still should have won it with the chances we created.

Agree that CMS should not have taken the 2nd one. Should have handed it to Hammond who I recall was our regular penalty taker previously and had a very good success rate.

 

[The Camel]

Kenny got on his line just as the whislte had been blown, nevertheless that is immaterialdue to the fact that a penalty can not be taken if the kepper is not standing on his line between both posts and facing the penalty taker.

This is the point I was getting at, not the quality of the penalty.

Is your answer true?

When the whistle goes, does it matter what the keeper is doing?

If the net had been empty, could CMS have just slotted it into an empty net?

 

[Mr Burns]

Kenny got on his line just as the whislte had been blown, nevertheless that is immaterialdue to the fact that a penalty can not be taken if the kepper is not standing on his line between both posts and facing the penalty taker.

Yes it can.

 

[Acker79]

Is your answer true?

When the whistle goes, does it matter what the keeper is doing?

If the net had been empty, could CMS have just slotted it into an empty net?

No.

This is from the laws of the game 2012-13 (available here.)


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[HAILSHAM SEAGULL]

But Mason blew the whistle for CMS to take it, as the OP said, Kenny was still walking back across his goal, Mason was watching CMS and the players on the edge without noticing Kenny's position, if Macca had taken it when the whistle blew and scored, it would have created a right rumpus.
Trouble was Macca waited for Kenny to get into position.
If the referee blows the whislte to take it, surely you are entitled too.

 

[perseus]

In the circumstances, I am sure Kit Napier would have shot and scored (in his time).

In the Premier 62% of penalties are scored.

The Football League | Match | Referees | Laws of Football | Laws of Football | LAW 14 - THE PENALTY KICK

Diouf showed how a penalty should be taken. Kuszczak knew (had a very good idea) which way he was going to shoot but still couldn't stop it.

There is a science to penalty kicks and it ought to be sorted. I knew (had a very good idea) Macca would shoot to the keeper's right. Its psychology like poker and I would think that Bloom would know

 

[Acker79]

But Mason blew the whistle for CMS to take it, as the OP said, Kenny was still walking back across his goal, Mason was watching CMS and the players on the edge without noticing Kenny's position, if Macca had taken it when the whistle blew and scored, it would have created a right rumpus.
Trouble was Macca waited for Kenny to get into position.
If the referee blows the whislte to take it, surely you are entitled too.

Mason shouldn't have blown his whistle until Kenny was in poition. If his assistants highlighted that kenny was not in position he would have been right to make us re-take it. If we scored and the goal was allowed to stand, leeds would have been right to feel aggrieved (though, of course, there is the argument it would have balanced out Varney's dive).

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

He missed it which cost us the win, end off.

Daggers are not out by the way.

By that theory, Orlandi missing his sitter cost us the game too, as did Crofts and Dobbie missing their attempts - CMS doesnt shoulder the blame.