The Money Game

[Barrel of Fun]

Do you feel uncomfortable with where we are heading?

I've no real idea as to what our players are currently paid or have been paid in the past, but the idea of a footballer earning thousands a week does not sit comfortably with me.

What say you?

 

[Hyperion]

We are making the best of an agent centric football world.

Tony & Gus are using the allocated budget in their and the clubs interest.

At some point the bullshit Uefa living within the clubs means ruling will HAVE to match the real world market prices and wages.

You cannot have this one ruling and a spiralling market force doing the opposite. I firmly believe clubs will fight back the latter in yrs to come and start getting a more sensible and tighter margins gained by so called 3rd parties taking the piss out of football.

I sit less happy with a major sports broadcasting company having an online betting company(Sky) to feed its own coffers based on its own stories

 

[catfish]

As long as TB doesn't break our wage structure and start paying unrealistic wages in order to try and reach the premier league then I feel ok about the direction in which the club is heading.

 

[jackanada]

No.
To expand: I got bored before I finished the question. Very worn ground.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

But what if our wage structure caters for a player earning north of £15k a week?

I guess one could argue that in most/every industry, there are people are earning that.

I don't feel comfortable paying £30+ a match to line the pockets of players/management/agents.

 

[Hyperion]

As long as TB doesn't break our wage structure and start paying unrealistic wages in order to try and reach the premier league then I feel ok about the direction in which the club is heading.

Based on Bloom's money skills, I would say he is a long term plan man. I don't think Albion could have a better chairman I am really not worried as I am confident Bloom has a an eye for a good strategy. We are very blessed

 

[BadFish]

I hope the bubble will burst and things will return to some level of sanity. The thing that really irritates me is that ticket prices have been hiked to pay these ridiculous wages for players. Years ago when people were talking about players getting a bigger share of the cash i was all for it as they deserve it more that chairmen etc. Things have swung too far the other way since then and their are too many parasites on the game taken money out of the pocket of the everyday football fan who justs wants to watch his team.

Do we buy into this model or try to do the right thing? I hope we can walk the line and not sell out our fans. I also hope we are in a strong position when/if the bubble bursts.

Play it safe Tony, don't gamble with our club. We nearly lost once!

 

[Hyperion]

[MENTION=1313]BadFish[/MENTION] yes you are right, BUT, it will take some high profile gut punches before this is realised.

The current Uefa ruling sits nowhere near the market trend.

We hang on to older values in this country that do not sit well with modern football.

The bubble will burst but as long as the wrong people are making the Dollar with too much ease the longer it will take for the coffee to be smelt

 

[BadFish]

[MENTION=1313]BadFish[/MENTION] yes you are right, BUT, it will take some high profile gut punches before this is realised.

The current Uefa ruling sits nowhere near the market trend.

We hang on to older values in this country that do not sit well with modern football.

The bubble will burst but as long as the wrong people are making the Dollar with too much ease the longer it will take for the coffee to be smelt

Absolutely. My fear is that those high profile guts are so well protected that it won't affect them.

I just don't want us to become another casualty of the mega rich power brokers in the game who don't really give a stuff about the likes of us, Pompey et al. Even the Leeds thing did't make anyone sit up and take notice.

The FA need to wrestle the power back from the Premier League and put something in place for the whole of football IMHO.

 

[Hyperion]

Absolutely. My fear is that those high profile guts are so well protected that it won't affect them.

I just don't want us to become another casualty of the mega rich power brokers in the game who don't really give a stuff about the likes of us, Pompey et al. Even the Leeds thing did't make anyone sit up and take notice.

The FA need to wrestle the power back from the Premier League and put something in place for the whole of football IMHO.

The examples though Leeds & Pompey were investment lead. Bloom is not that creature.

The FA are powerless in many areas.

What will happen in my opinion is that clubs will form together much like agents did with players and say enough is enough.


A middle ground has to be met or football dies and the latter will not happen for revenue reasons

 

[Seagulltonian]

But what if our wage structure caters for a player earning north of £15k a week?

I guess one could argue that in most/every industry, there are people are earning that.

I don't feel comfortable paying £30+ a match to line the pockets of players/management/agents.

Did I read, or hear somewhere, that we've managed to only be paying £10,000 of Mr. Bridge's £80,000 a week wages? If that's the case then surely Tony Bloom is saying that £10,000 a week is our upper wage cap.? Obviously if we hit the Premiership, all the players' agents will be straight in the office asking for more for their clients.

 

[Triggaaar]

I don't feel comfortable paying £30+ a match to line the pockets of players/management/agents.

While that's not where we're at now, if we get to the premier league and stay there, that's what we'll be looking at. Accept it or find a different hobby, this is the world we live in.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

While that's not where we're at now, if we get to the premier league and stay there, that's what we'll be looking at. Accept it or find a different hobby, this is the world we live in.

True. I'm probably going to have to find a different hobby in the near future.

Do you feel comfortable with these vast sums? My enjoyment has waned over the years.

 

[Triggaaar]

True. I'm probably going to have to find a different hobby in the near future.

This isn't new, it's just new for Brighton. Have you not enjoyed any top level football in the last 25 years?

Do you feel comfortable with these vast sums?

Yes, I'm a capitalist. I'd prefer it if the world was fairer, I'd vote for a fairer world, but communism etc doesn't work with humans. Footballers aren't over paid any more than other entertainers, so if knowing that entertainers get paid well spoils the fun for you, then that ends all tv, film, newspapers, etc etc. Many people are paid obscene amounts of money.

 

[pottert]

I don't think tb invested £100m to build a stadium only for it to be mismanaged when it is up and running.

Managing our finances must be really easy at the moment because 90% of our income is already in place.

Season ticket sales
Tv money
Sponsorship

How many teams in the championship are starting the season knowing their matchday revenue for the season.

Only us I would think.

Apart from us how many teams matchday attendances in the championship will not change regardless of results.?

Derby county are normally consistent win or lose. WHO ELSE

 

[BadFish]

This isn't new, it's just new for Brighton. Have you not enjoyed any top level football in the last 25 years?
Yes, I'm a capitalist. I'd prefer it if the world was fairer, I'd vote for a fairer world, but communism etc doesn't work with humans. Footballers aren't over paid any more than other entertainers, so if knowing that entertainers get paid well spoils the fun for you, then that ends all tv, film, newspapers, etc etc. Many people are paid obscene amounts of money.

People draw a line somewhere. That's why FC UNITED exsist. Many premier league fans have decided not to pay huge sums for tickets to see overpaid players play football (there is so far always another mug to take their place). We are seeing it through fans that think it's okay to boo their team becasue " they've paid their money" and they have paid for that right.

It is the world we live in you are right but that doesn't mean BHA have to buy into it. We are free to make our own choices and I am glad that so far Tony seems to be making good ones.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

This isn't new, it's just new for Brighton. Have you not enjoyed any top level football in the last 25 years?

I've enjoyed the likes of Amokachi gracing our hallowed turfs, Yeboah breaking crossbars, Cantona kicking Palace plastics and players like Asprilla, but I don't believe they should earn enough to retire at 30 odd.

Yes, I'm a capitalist. I'd prefer it if the world was fairer, I'd vote for a fairer world, but communism etc doesn't work with humans. Footballers aren't over paid any more than other entertainers, so if knowing that entertainers get paid well spoils the fun for you, then that ends all tv, film, newspapers, etc etc. Many people are paid obscene amounts of money.

Entertainers get paid by performances (or cunning marketing ploys). Footballers get paid regardless of their performances.

How many times would you pay to see someone like (say) Frankie Boyle if he stunk the house out?

Simon Jordan was quoted saying that watching Crystal Palace was cheaper than watching the opera. One wouldn't got to the opera each week (and certainly not travel to the border of England to see it) each week.

Yes, many people do get paid obscene amounts of money, but generally in terms of other entertainment, their value is performance linked.

Having said that, I don't agree with obscene wages showered upon the likes of Jonathan Ross or Terry Wogan.

 

[Triggaaar]

Entertainers get paid by performances (or cunning marketing ploys). Footballers get paid regardless of their performances.

That's not too accurate. Footballers get contracts based on passed performances, just like Robbie Williams got a £75m contract to do some albums, no matter how bad. Just like Radio and TV people get contracts, and will get paid even if they become unpopular. Frankie Boyle no doubt has/had a tv contract, and sells tickets to events in advance, so will get paid for some time even if his performances dip (which is unlikely, given that on stage he just has to repeat last weeks jokes to a new audience).

Simon Jordan was quoted saying that watching Crystal Palace was cheaper than watching the opera. One wouldn't got to the opera each week (and certainly not travel to the border of England to see it) each week.

No one goes to see Palace each week either.

But yes, football is more popular than Opera.

Yes, many people do get paid obscene amounts of money, but generally in terms of other entertainment, their value is performance linked.

I think that's the same as football.

Having said that, I don't agree with obscene wages showered upon the likes of Jonathan Ross or Terry Wogan.

How about Bruce Forsyth getting £650k for a series of strictly? That doesn't even require training, and can still be done when you're 84. What about Actors getting paid £20m to do a movie? They get the money even if they're shit in it. And again, they get paid for decades, whereas a sportsperson has a limited number of years.

It's all crazy, but footballers are no worse than other entertainment.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Er... Well, you've gone a long way to prove that there are more people overpaid than just footballers.

I'm not suggesting, for one minute, that football is the only entertainment industry that suffers from gross wages. However (ignoring the top earners), you have a large amount of players earning £200k+ per annum. Only because market forces suggest people pay a certain amount for tickets/shirts/TV.

Porn/smokiing/drinking is heavily taxed. Why not football?!

 

[pottert]

I may be on my own here but if you work within a business that is self suffient then it dosent matter how much its employees earn as long as the incomings is more than the outgoings.