Arsenal.. is Wengers time up ?

[collins91]

wenger is not going anywhere

 

[JBizzle]

hes not really viable for the business of the club. what good is a transfer budget if you're not going to buy anyone with it.

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So do you honestly think that when he finishes training, he just goes home and pops on Neighbours? Its an absolute fallacy that he doesn't want to sign anyone. Who is available to miraculously cure all ills?

Yes, they need a Vieira type but who else playls like Vieira that you can afford?
Sure, another striker would be of use but, again, who could you get on a reasonable fee?
And obviously, they need another midfielder now Fabregas has gone but how would you replace a player like that?

People ignore his achievements because the media hound him at all occasions. Its interesting how Liverpool are consistently touted as title contenders wben though they haven't won the title in 20 years and haven't won a cup in 5.

Wenger is an easy target, but Man City have spend nearly £150m already, Man Utd have spent just shy of £100m with more to come, Liverpool have spent £100m too and Chelsea's squad has cost twice that. Arsenal's team cost about £35m in TOTAL and they haven't finished outside the top 4 in 14 years.

Plus, their spending policy means that they will own their stadium outright in a matter of years.

PS. I'm not an Arsenal fan, but most of my friends are so I know a lot about them, hence my post.

 

[Amex_Charlie]

His problem is that he doesn't buy the right players, they need a left back, an experienced centre back, a goalkeeper and a central midfielder. Not an 8m inexperienced winger that was already shite for scumhampton

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I have a dislike for Arsenal, for some inexplicable reason, so my thoughts may be irrelevent, but he seems to buy too many of the same sort of player - very similar builds. Very quick, yes, but that type of player tend to get injured more easily. There are obvious weak spots, which everyone has highlighted (goalkeeper, CB) that he seems to do nothing about - for reasons which are never made public. Also, the choice of captain seems to be consistenly wrong - he/they choose players as some sor of salary bonus, rather than actual leaders. Fabregas was no leader, nor was Gallas and now he's gone for RvP, who, no only is he not a leader, he inevitably won't be fit for half the season.

On a slight tangent, the are some clubs who continuously seem to have much worse injury record than others, Arsenal, Newcastle, West Ham spring to mind - which seems to be beyond coincidence, so I've always wondered if there's issues possibly with their training methods or medical backup team.

 

[Biscuit]

other than Ferguson, Mourinho, Hiddink, Ancelloti and Mancini maybe? with the talent available, even Redknapp has arguably achived more.

they continue failing to be the finished article because, in his noble attempt to create a perfect footballing side, he overlooks the importance of leadership and physical or mental strength. the sum of the parts is not enough to see through a whole season. finance is not an excuse. he's just spent £10m on an inexperienced and untried young winger, while haggling over a similar price for a stong experienced center back. i recall the russian sheaholder said a year or two ago he would write an open cheque to fill the missing CB and DM spots, an offer apparently ignored.

Good points but I'd argue against all of them. He does she the importance of leadership and strength. Viera anyone? Finance is still an issue, while they are still paying for their stadium, even if they were not they simply couldn't compete with the like of Man City and Chelsea on the fee or the wages front. That fact he's a purest shouldn't count against him. He plays the game the way it should be. The fact is people join Arsenal not because of the wages on offer but for the Wenger effect. Look at how many players he took on for a couple of million (small fry by Prem standards) and sold on shed loads.

 

[beorhthelm]

...He does she the importance of leadership and strength. Viera anyone?

rather highlights the point, he hasnt replaced him, presumably believing that the football will win through in the end. the point about the finance is that he has had cash available and chosen not to spend or spent on youthfull prospects.. commendable, but the squads of the last few years have lacked a certain player type or two that his academy production line of quality footballers hasnt provided.

 

[CHAPPERS]

He hasn't bought a decent keeper for YEARS.

I agree with the points about his budget though, he is running the playing side under very strict requirements in that respect. Makes it all the more ASTONISHING that he paid all that money for Oxdale-Chamberlain dunnit.

 

[JBizzle]

He hasn't bought a decent keeper for YEARS.

I agree with the points about his budget though, he is running the playing side under very strict requirements in that respect. Makes it all the more ASTONISHING that he paid all that money for Oxdale-Chamberlain dunnit.

He doesn't need one. Szczezny is a very, very good keeper.

 

[keaton]

I think Arsenal's net spend under Wenger is something like £5m.

I would say he's done a ridicolously good job with that in mind.

Even without that I don't really understand how anyone can argue he's doing a bad job. To do that well last season with Vermalean out for that long was brilliant, so they finished trophyless and fourth but Chelsea, Man U and City are spending insane amounts. Rednapp finished fourth once spending more money and is somehow doing a better job?

 

[Sam Ovett]

He doesn't need one. Szczezny is a very, very good keeper.

I agree

 

[vegster]

I feel that unless something changes fairly soon, I see them sliding down the table. They do not dominate games like they used to,always seem to be hit harder than most with long term injuries. They never seem up for it on a cold, wet night in Sunderland and are easily wound up when confronted by a physical team. Yes, the football is lovely but they need someone who will roll up their sleeves and lead in the mould of Tony Adams. And yes, lovely stadium, but what use would it be in League One where Leeds, Forest and Man City all ended up at one time or the other ?
They really need a trophy and a solid top 3 finish THIS season.

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

So do you honestly think that when he finishes training, he just goes home and pops on Neighbours? Its an absolute fallacy that he doesn't want to sign anyone. Who is available to miraculously cure all ills?

Yes, they need a Vieira type but who else playls like Vieira that you can afford?
Sure, another striker would be of use but, again, who could you get on a reasonable fee?
And obviously, they need another midfielder now Fabregas has gone but how would you replace a player like that?

People ignore his achievements because the media hound him at all occasions. Its interesting how Liverpool are consistently touted as title contenders wben though they haven't won the title in 20 years and haven't won a cup in 5.

Wenger is an easy target, but Man City have spend nearly £150m already, Man Utd have spent just shy of £100m with more to come, Liverpool have spent £100m too and Chelsea's squad has cost twice that. Arsenal's team cost about £35m in TOTAL and they haven't finished outside the top 4 in 14 years.

Plus, their spending policy means that they will own their stadium outright in a matter of years.

PS. I'm not an Arsenal fan, but most of my friends are so I know a lot about them, hence my post.

I know it's a no brainer as to why top four finishing is better than anything else that might happen, but for season after season after season of losing out on the league at near enough christmas...don't you think the fans deserve a little more than having a repeat performance of 'sorry we won't win anything this year' with the same players in and out? As I said, it's ok to be confident that you have for the right players for the job and we should give them time to reach their potential, but how much time does he want them to have? How long will the fans go without celebrating anything?

 

[Postman Pat]

My biggest issue is that Wenger is always building a team, all these young players should have matured into a great team by now. Fergie did it with his golden generation of Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Nevilles etc... Wenger can't keep his.

This is the team that played Chelsea in the 2007 Carling cup final:

Almunia, Hoyte, Toure, Senderos, Traore (Eboue 66), Walcott, Fabregas, Denilson, Diaby (Hleb 68), Aliadiere (Adebayor 80), Julio Baptista.
Subs Not Used: Poom, Djourou.

Not one player played against Birmingham 4 years on. Only Walcott is still left. What happened to Hoyte, Denilson, Aliadiere, Baptista etc... these should all be first team regulars by now. Hasn't he just paid for another kid who is 2/3 seasons away?

 

[matthew]

To be honest i think the only thing Wenger's been able to do in the past few years is buy young, cheap players to one day be in the first team. I really don't think he's had the money available to do anything else. Plus to keep them in the top 4 by creating a profit is simply incredible.

 

[Storer 68]

I think the problem Arsenal currently have is that Wenger isn't any good at building a team. And he's certainly not good at regenerating one. Look at Fergie at Man Utd, he has rebuilt his team a few times and they've always been challenging for trophies. Arsene either doesn't know how to, or just can't do it. He currently has a first team as good as any in the league, but reserve players who are unable to affect the game. A midfield trio of Song, Wilshere and Ramsey isn't experienced enough yet, but what other options does he have? Frimpong (who?!)? Rosicky in the centre, with HIS knees? I don't honestly understand why he would allow his squad to be so bare going into the season. Clichy left for Man City, but no other left back has emerged. Kieran Gibbs is amazingly overated, it won't be long before he's out of the team and all of a sudden Vermaelen will be at left back and Squillaci will be in the centre, that can only end well! No cover at right back, either. There's an over reliance on producing amazing kids at that club at the moment, but there doesn't appear to be a batch ready to come through.

Wenger is fine at building a team - so long a he has easy access to talent. which he had at the beginning as he had a wide network of scouts in France and was able to hit the French National academy system hard to bring in cheap young talented players. But now everyone else has a similar system in place and a wide network of scouts and so it is more difficult to compete when the really big european clubs can use their financial clout.

Now wenger is reduced to playing players who have been farmed out to Eastbourne Borough FFS

 

[Storer 68]

My biggest issue is that Wenger is always building a team, all these young players should have matured into a great team by now. Fergie did it with his golden generation of Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Nevilles etc... Wenger can't keep his.

This is the team that played Chelsea in the 2007 Carling cup final:

Almunia, Hoyte, Toure, Senderos, Traore (Eboue 66), Walcott, Fabregas, Denilson, Diaby (Hleb 68), Aliadiere (Adebayor 80), Julio Baptista.
Subs Not Used: Poom, Djourou.

Not one player played against Birmingham 4 years on. Only Walcott is still left. What happened to Hoyte, Denilson, Aliadiere, Baptista etc... these should all be first team regulars by now. Hasn't he just paid for another kid who is 2/3 seasons away?

err we know what happened to Hoyte and saw enough of him in a BHA shirt to see why he wouldn't get far at Arsenal. The young players the club have spotted in the last four or five years just haven't been up to the standard of their predecessors

 

[Storer 68]

with the same name as sunderland's ground too.

ahh perhaps but Sunderland's is named AFTER benfica. and you can make an argument that the stadium is situated in the district of LUZ in Lisbon, its name is more a geographical one than a a purely descriptive one.

The Estádio da Luz (Portuguese pronunciation: [(ɨ)ˈʃtadiu dɐ ˈluʃ]), officially named the Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica, which translated means, "Stadium of Light," is a football stadium in Lisbon, Portugal, the home of Benfica. It is called "a Catedral" (the Cathedral) by the Benfica fans.

The term Luz refers, historically, to the parish of the Igreja de Nossa Senhora da Luz (Church of Our Lady of the Light). The Stadium of Light in Sunderland, England may have been inspired by the name of this Lisbon stadium.

In Portuguese, the word Luz means "Light". Although the stadium was named in honor of the parish, the words da Luz in the parish name translates to "of the Light". Hence, the name is not mistranslated and is correctly translated.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I have not heard anyone yet, any pundit or Arsenal fan, who has predicted they will be top 4 finish this year. That might be rather telling.

 

[matthew]

BBC Sport - Arsenal fans must back Arsene Wenger, says David Dein

Good David Dein interview.

 

[Husty]

Why on earth would it be? Show me any other manager on the planet that would do a better job in the circumstances.