Cyclists with helmet cam.

[Stat Brother]

BBC News - Cyclist wears a helmet camera to film abusive drivers

Can't help thinking he might not have done enough, bearing in mind there's only one person that would ever get hurt in that situation.

 

[Superphil]

nothing

 

[Spiros]

I'm quite glad to see this being brought out a bit. At varying times I am a driver, cyclist or pedestrian and I always feel the most vulnerable when I'm cycling. While the majority of drivers are considerate there is a significant number of drivers who are either ignorant of how much space they should give a cyclist (including police cars) and a growing number who are downright aggressive. However the cause of the average cyclist is not helped by the few that over-react like the guy that killed the motorist in Hove a few weeks back. Also a lot of the problems are actually caused by inadequate lanes or provision for cyclists. In that film he was making his way along a 'cycle lane' which was about 2 feet wide between 2 lanes of traffic. Recipe for conforntation if you ask me.

 

[Simster]

I'm quite glad to see this being brought out a bit. At varying times I am a driver, cyclist or pedestrian and I always feel the most vulnerable when I'm cycling. While the majority of drivers are considerate there is a significant number of drivers who are either ignorant of how much space they should give a cyclist (including police cars) and a growing number who are downright aggressive. However the cause of the average cyclist is not helped by the few that over-react like the guy that killed the motorist in Hove a few weeks back. Also a lot of the problems are actually caused by inadequate lanes or provision for cyclists. In that film he was making his way along a 'cycle lane' which was about 2 feet wide between 2 lanes of traffic. Recipe for conforntation if you ask me.

Good post. Nice to see Phil edited his initial post, as it was previously a pile of irrelevant Daily Mail ranting wank.

 

[Albumen]

Take away the van drivers licence. Simple.

 

[Everest]

I like the way that they pixelated the number plate out from the long shot at the end, but decided not to on the close shot when it stopped.

 

[¤DãŃn¥ §êãGüLL¤]

Sounds painful

 

[Stat Brother]

Take away the van drivers licence. Simple.

But if I was in that situation, and as a passionate cyclist, I dare say I have been.
The moment the van was along side indicating left, I would have braked and let him go.

As I said originally, the cyclist was the only person who could have been injured, in that situation, so why stay longer than needed in the 'dangerzone'.

 

[Pantani]

But if I was in that situation, and as a passionate cyclist, I dare say I have been.
The moment the van was along side indicating left, I would have braked and let him go.

As I said originally, the cyclist was the only person who could have been injured, in that situation, so why stay longer than needed in the 'dangerzone'.

So would I. However, I can see how when living in London you get a bit more aggressive in the end. Liberties are constantly taken by drivers in London in a way we just do not have to put up with down here.

Having just watched it again the cyclist should have yielded once the van got to the junction. The van driver on the other hand should not have been over taking the cyclist coming up to a junction in that manner. So van driver wrong initially, then both of them as they did not stop before turning left. Then the cyclist. Then the van driver again for hitting the cyclist. Overall the van driver was in the wrong as he did the first thing wrong. It was a prime example of what is wrong on our roads from many road users, in that people are constantly just trying to complete their journey a bit quicker. The van driver did not need to over take the cyclist as he was hardly holding him up (looked like a 20 mph zone). The cyclist did not need to turn left without braking. Both of these things would have saved them a matter of seconds but these are the risks that are taken daily by most road users.

 

[Superphil]

Good post. Nice to see Phil edited his initial post, as it was previously a pile of irrelevant Daily Mail ranting wank.

That's what I thought when I read it back, but please don't tar me with the Daily Mail, never, ever, ever.

I am 100% in agreement that cyclists need protecting, UK city streets are a nightmare for them, having lived overseas, they give a lot more consideration, with proper bike lanes, and good education from an early age, riding a bike in Holland was an absolute pleasure (I lived there for 3 years), and you had right of way over cars in many instances, which was always observed by the drivers. Often the bike lanes were little roads in their own right, they had their own pedestrian crossings, traffic lights etc. If the lane was in a road, then everyone seemed to be aware of each other, and if the lane was on a pavement the distinction was clear, and the cyclists would use a bell to warn you if you inadvertantly stepped onto the bike lane, I don't remember any incidents of confrontation.

It is a two-way street though (unless it’s a one-way street), and there are reciprocal considerations to be made, I’ve not been in an accident when riding a bike, but I have been the other way around, both as a pedestrian, and a driver, and I don’t think I had any protection either, just felt like it was my fault, when it wasn't.

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

just in case 'cyclists' start getting a bit of bad press on here can I just clarify

'Cyclists' generally wear reflective clothing, helmets, lights etc. Stop at

traffic lights and respect pedestrians etc.


'Twats on bikes' are a different ball game altogether. as my good friend Paul

Weller wrote (along the lines of) "I've got a pen in my pocket does that make

me a writer?....putting on gloves, doesn't make me a fighter... and riding a

£99 Half0rds bike, doesn't make me a cyclist*


*OK I made that bit up, but you get my gist

 

[bhaexpress]

Perhaps we pedestrians should wear helmet cams to show bad mannered cyclists who think that Red lights mean go and pavements are really cycle paths.

 

[Stat Brother]

I wouldn't be surprised if wearing a helmet-cam to prove your innocents, in city centre bust ups, makes for a cack cyclist.

 

[dannyboy]

IMO the cyclist was a bit of a bellend. he put his cam on and seemed desperate for a bit of footage. when the van overtook him he assumed it was his right of way . slow down let the van pass , end of problem . him screaming at the van driver was a bit of needless agression too. it also seemed like he hit the van with his first first as it squeezed him in later on . still i suppose he got himself on the tv. im a cyclist and a driver

 

[sten_super]

Perhaps we pedestrians should wear helmet cams to show bad mannered cyclists who think that Red lights mean go and pavements are really cycle paths.

This is the problem, it's very much a one-way street, unless all vehicles (and as you say, pedestrians!) start using cameras. I suspect somehow that these cyclists won't be quite so keen to volunteer footage when it's them in the wrong!

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

Perhaps we pedestrians should wear helmet cams to show bad mannered cyclists who think that Red lights mean go and pavements are really cycle paths.

c'mon bhaexpress, I know we haven't always seen eye to eye but you're an Albion fan I love you really but please read post number 11. BTW I'm a 'cyclist' but I am also a driver and a pedestrian at times

 

[sten_super]

c'mon bhaexpress, I know we haven't always seen eye to eye but you're an Albion fan I love you really but please read post number 11. BTW I'm a 'cyclist' but I am also a driver and a pedestrian at times

While I agree that there's a much higher proportion of 'people on bikes' that are idiots, it's naive to pretend that all cyclists are goodie-two-shoes that obey all of the rules of the road. Under your definitions I'd be defined as a 'twat on a bike' (in that I have a cheap bike, don't often wear flurescent clothing), but obey all of the rules of the road (such as stopping at traffic lights, using cycle lanes where available, stopping for pedestrian crossings) whereas my extremely keen genuine cyclist friends often act like complete imbeciles.

 

[Stat Brother]

BBC News - Cyclist v motorist: A heated debate
The follow up debate.

 

[Pantani]

While I agree that there's a much higher proportion of 'people on bikes' that are idiots, it's naive to pretend that all cyclists are goodie-two-shoes that obey all of the rules of the road. Under your definitions I'd be defined as a 'twat on a bike' (in that I have a cheap bike, don't often wear flurescent clothing), but obey all of the rules of the road (such as stopping at traffic lights, using cycle lanes where available, stopping for pedestrian crossings) whereas my extremely keen genuine cyclist friends often act like complete imbeciles.

Not a rule of the road. I am not having a go at you but it is worth pointing this out as it is a popular misconception.

Highway Code rule 61

Cycle Routes and Other Facilities. Use cycle routes, advanced stop lines, cycle boxes and toucan crossings unless at the time it is unsafe to do so. Use of these facilities is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills, but they can make your journey safer.

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

While I agree that there's a much higher proportion of 'people on bikes' that are idiots, it's naive to pretend that all cyclists are goodie-two-shoes that obey all of the rules of the road. Under your definitions I'd be defined as a 'twat on a bike' (in that I have a cheap bike, don't often wear flurescent clothing), but obey all of the rules of the road (such as stopping at traffic lights, using cycle lanes where available, stopping for pedestrian crossings) whereas my extremely keen genuine cyclist friends often act like complete imbeciles.

not having a pop at you or cheap bikes, cheap bikes have served me well, the point i'm making is please dont refer to the dumb arse riding his pile of shit the wrong way up St James steet during rush hour after six cans o Special Brew as 'a cyclist'