The Rise of the Old Germany?

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

This topic has been going on fro the last week:

Turkish president urges Germany to help immigrants integrate | World news | The Guardian

Is it me or is this just a little worrying. When Germany unified there was an increase in right wing activity, especially in the Old East. Living in Poland then I was acutely aware of it as it coveerd both regions. In the late nineties it seemed to ahev dwindled but now its rearing its ugly head again but now from governement circles. East Germany never really faced its guilt over WWII like the West..... I fear that the revival of far-right politics in Germany is becoming a clear and present danger.

Or am I just showing how old I am... still living with the spectre of Nazism?

 

[Pot noodles for everyone]

You're what? 40? And you reckon you're living with the spectre of Nazism?

Might as well be the threat of Turkish Nationalism on Armenians for all that it means to you.

Take a chill pill. Germany is an integral part of the EU with a fully mature democracy. Turks are safe there.

 

[Austrian Gull]

This topic has been going on fro the last week:

Turkish president urges Germany to help immigrants integrate | World news | The Guardian

Is it me or is this just a little worrying. When Germany unified there was an increase in right wing activity, especially in the Old East. Living in Poland then I was acutely aware of it as it coveerd both regions. In the late nineties it seemed to ahev dwindled but now its rearing its ugly head again but now from governement circles. East Germany never really faced its guilt over WWII like the West..... I fear that the revival of far-right politics in Germany is becoming a clear and present danger.

Or am I just showing how old I am... still living with the spectre of Nazism?

I think you're worrying too much.

The main far right party in Germany, the NPD, only gets about 1% of the vote nationally and is only present to a small degree in two of the regional parliaments.

Comments have been made by Merkel and other leaders from the CDU/CSU in the last few weeks about immigrants needing to do more to integrate e.g. learn the language.

IMO, not unreasonable.

If you were speaking about Austria, however, I wouldn't be so relaxed

 

[Return of the Rev]

I think you're worrying too much.

The main far right party in Germany, the NPD, only gets about 1% of the vote nationally and is only present to a small degree in two of the regional parliaments.

Comments have been made by Merkel and other leaders from the CDU/CSU in the last few weeks about immigrants needing to do more to integrate e.g. learn the language.

IMO, not unreasonable.

If you were speaking about Austria, however, I wouldn't be so relaxed

No relax a minority party could never take over in germany

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

You're what? 40? And you reckon you're living with the spectre of Nazism?

Might as well be the threat of Turkish Nationalism on Armenians for all that it means to you.

Take a chill pill. Germany is an integral part of the EU with a fully mature democracy. Turks are safe there.

And how old are you? Comics we read were Victor all about the nazis..... wrote my thesis on literature and fascism... studied East German consciousness post WW2...... so yes... grew up with it.


As for chill pill...... hmm.... Turkish nationalism is on the wane as is the Armenian porblem..... rise of German nationalism is not.... seemibngly.

Not quaking in my boots just puttşng the discussion point out there.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

I think you're worrying too much.

The main far right party in Germany, the NPD, only gets about 1% of the vote nationally and is only present to a small degree in two of the regional parliaments.

Comments have been made by Merkel and other leaders from the CDU/CSU in the last few weeks about immigrants needing to do more to integrate e.g. learn the language.

IMO, not unreasonable.

If you were speaking about Austria, however, I wouldn't be so relaxed

Ive been to Austria and seen the Turkish 'ghetto' villages.... [shudder]

You are probably right about Germany...we just havent heard this much in government since the demise of the neo fascist politico (forgot his name) in Saxony 15 years ago.

 

[Gwylan]

I think you're worrying too much.

The main far right party in Germany, the NPD, only gets about 1% of the vote nationally and is only present to a small degree in two of the regional parliaments.

Comments have been made by Merkel and other leaders from the CDU/CSU in the last few weeks about immigrants needing to do more to integrate e.g. learn the language.

IMO, not unreasonable.

If you were speaking about Austria, however, I wouldn't be so relaxed

I agree with this. I go to Germany quite regularly and take a close interest in goings-on there and the extreme right wing is very small. There are some rather nasty skinhead gangs around - and I certainly wouldn't like to walk around of the more deprived areas of East Germany at night - but the chance of any significant nationalist movement is zero.

Totally agree about Austria though - I really wouldn't be so complacent about that country.

 

[Return of the Rev]

went to singalong a sound of music a fews years ago at the theatre royal,went in full ss uniform i think i misjudged the mood,the walk to the royal was not relaxing and although everyone in costume i got booed taking my seat in a box! even the cast gave us daggers,hanging the swastika from the box was the final straw! never again ps not the only one in german uniform that night

 

[Eric Potts]

went to singalong a sound of music a fews years ago at the theatre royal,went in full ss uniform i think i misjudged the mood,the walk to the royal was not relaxing and although everyone in costume i got booed taking my seat in a box! even the cast gave us daggers,hanging the swastika from the box was the final straw! never again ps not the only one in german uniform that night

Well you learned a lesson : don't go and see the Sound Of Music in Tel Aviv

 

[Return of the Rev]

strange night although 90% in costume two nazi and nun and an austrian maid in the box seem to have a wide spectrum of reaction,going as a jimmy hill next time

 

[Tooting Gull]

Didn't Merkel say this week that 'multiculturalism has failed'? I'd say that was quite a strong commment from the country's Premier. Imagine the shitstorm if Cameron said that here.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Didn't Merkel say this week that 'multiculturalism has failed'? I'd say that was quite a strong commment from the country's Premier. Imagine the shitstorm if Cameron said that here.

Thats exactly what I am referring to:

'....comes days after the chancellor, Angela Merkel, declared that multiculturalism in Germany had "utterly failed" and one of her closest political allies, Horst Seehofer, said immigration from "alien cultures" should end.'

 

[Grendel]

No relax a minority party could never take over in germany

Although they never polled over 50% of the votes in an election, the NSDAP were comfortably the largest party in the Reichstag when they seized power.

 

[NMH]

My Turkish friends stated some time ago, that they are being manipulated for political gain from the US and Germany. They aren't too pleased with Israel lately, after that aid boat invasion that killed several Turkish - and Turkey has been supportive of Israel.

The Turkish workers have long been vilified in Germany, seen as racially inferior by many (rings a bell!). I remember it etching at them when I was there way back in 1978.

The Turkish people I have met, have been very reasonable people, pleasant and just wanting to get along - like everyone else.
As a nation though, they are key in some means that serve the West. And we know that The West don't always have everyone's best interests in mind - especially not in the Middle-East.

 

[NMH]

Thats exactly what I am referring to:

'....comes days after the chancellor, Angela Merkel, declared that multiculturalism in Germany had "utterly failed" and one of her closest political allies, Horst Seehofer, said immigration from "alien cultures" should end.'

It's a gambit, and a weak one from Merkel to try and 'threaten' or manipulate.
I don't see how the Turkish government could be remotely swayed by Germany coming out with that, quite honestly. Does she think that so much income is generated for Turkey by migrant workers sending some Euros back to their families?

 

[mccraque]

Merkel is correct though....multiculturalism doesn't work and has failed.

Whereas I am sure many of the idealistic lefties on here have pounced on this statement as extreme right...

What she is saying is that the immigrants do not "buy in" to the German culture, learn the language or want to share the values of the country.

Even many 2nd or 3rd generation offspring of immigrants do not integrate very well.

It's a fact, in fairness to Ange...

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Didn't Merkel say this week that 'multiculturalism has failed'? I'd say that was quite a strong commment from the country's Premier. Imagine the shitstorm if Cameron said that here.

Too right. If a British Political leader (of any Party) had said that over here just imagine the fallout.

If/When Turkey joins the EU just how many Turks will want to make their way to Germany? 100s of thousands?

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Too right. If a British Political leader (of any Party) had said that over here just imagine the fallout.

If/When Turkey joins the EU just how many Turks will want to make their way to Germany? 100s of thousands?

Actually not...... the number of NEW immigrants to Germany has dropped over the last few years...... and Turks have little chance of gettign rich... whereas Turkish entrpreneurs would love to get their teeth into Romania and Bulgaria on an even footing.

Yes I know these two countries are very weak but one thing Turks are are entrepreneurs and they know these two countries very well.

 

[beorhthelm]

the recent debate doesnt mean a return to Nazism. the point about multicultralism failling means they are going drop the policy of pussy footing around with respecting cultural difference: if you stay in germany, assimilate, learn german and become german.

 

[Don Quixote]

They thought it was fine with the Weimar republic in the twenties, that was a welfare state a bit like they have today. How wrong it went!