Legalise Drugs??

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

so just because they are legalised the addicts would suddenly be able to afford them result in less crime? Where would their money come from for these legal hits?

Addicts currently fund their habits by thieving and dealing themselves which places a massive burden on the taxpayer because we have to deploy God knows how much resource to police it.

Even if addicts were given Heroin for free as we currently do with Methadone and Buprenorphine we would still be ahead.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

One of the few ways that the UK could sink even lower in the court of world opinion. Good move.

The same as Holland has become the pariah of the world? the same way that Sweden has? give me a break.

 

[Juan Albion]

The same as Holland has become the pariah of the world? the same way that Sweden has? give me a break.

Has either of those legalized all drugs? I think not. Give your head a shake.

 

[larus]

Because the price of drugs would be hugely inflated through taxes (as alcohol and tobacco are) and there will be people selling illegally at a lower cost.

What do you think these drug dealers will do once they have been ousted from the market? Go and work in Tescos on minimum wage? They'll simply move to other sectors of criminality like people traffiking.

Think of all the people who dont do drugs now because they have some moral fibre and want to be on the right side of the law (i.e the majority of the population). Do you really want to live in a society where drug taking is accepted. Kids born into this society would see no difference between a pint down the pub or a toot of crack down the cafe

I've said MAKE THEM FREE. Give them away. Don't sell them. GOT IT.

At what point in my posts have i said allow them to be sold??

Perhaps you should read what I have posted, and not scan them briefly!!!!

 

[Juan Albion]

I've said MAKE THEM FREE. Give them away. Don't sell them. GOT IT.

So Joe Taxpayer is going to pay for them then? That should be popular.

 

[barney]

I've said MAKE THEM FREE. Give them away. Don't sell them. GOT IT.

At what point in my posts have i said allow them to be sold??

Perhaps you should read what I have posted, and not scan them briefly!!!!

are you going to reply to my post or simply cling onto one desperate argument which makes no sense at all..

 

[larus]

in twenty years, if drugs were legalised, instead of a pint in your friday lunch break, it would be a quick jack up at your desk, that could be the norm.

sickening thought.

That's the same as saying that because alcohol is legal and we can buy it in supermarkets/off licences, then we must all be alcoholics, spending our weekends going out on drunken binges.

There is simply no correlation between saying "MAKING DRUGS FREE, DECRIMINALISED AND AVAILABLE ON PRESCRIPTION" and "EVERYONE JACKING UP AT THEIR DESK".

I would really appreciate trying to understand the link from my view, to your doomsday scenario.

 

[Buzzer]

drugs are evil. Anyone who feels the need to get absolutely trolleyed on them is a nob.





What?

 

[larus]

are you going to reply to my post or simply cling onto one desperate argument which makes no sense at all..

You go on about profits in drugs, gangs, holding up chemists so that they can sell the drugs.

Who would they sell drugs to.

Dealer :"Hey, druggie. Wanna buy your fix for £20".
Druggie : "Sure, rather give you £20 than get it FREE on prescription".

Also, who said you would get them from a chemist. I'm sure centers could be designated for the control & distribution of FREE drugs, so that the users can be identified and hopefully offered counselling to become drug free.

 

[The Spanish]

Free Drugs - Drug Free


That could be the campaign slogan. I think this idea is a go-er.

 

[barney]

That's the same as saying that because alcohol is legal and we can buy it in supermarkets/off licences, then we must all be alcoholics, spending our weekends going out on drunken binges.

There is simply no correlation between saying "MAKING DRUGS FREE, DECRIMINALISED AND AVAILABLE ON PRESCRIPTION" and "EVERYONE JACKING UP AT THEIR DESK".

I would really appreciate trying to understand the link from my view, to your doomsday scenario.

well, would you want your kids to be brought up in a society where people casually consume hard drugs? alcohol is one thing, a nice quiet pint can be enjoyed, and is a sociable thing. are you suggesting there should be smack dens where like minded people meet up in the high street and get off their nut on heroin?

i do understand your link (i think), but i completely disagree.

are you an anarchist? do you believe that the goodness in the human race would prevail?

if drugs were freely available, they would be EVERYWHERE. same as cigarettes are everywhere in schools, drink is everywhere for kids. instead of sneaking off for a fag instead of PE in year 7, the kids will be sneaking off and smoking a crack blunt and getting their belt around their arm for a quick hit.

 

[barney]

You go on about profits in drugs, gangs, holding up chemists so that they can sell the drugs.

Who would they sell drugs to.

Dealer :"Hey, druggie. Wanna buy your fix for £20".
Druggie : "Sure, rather give you £20 than get it FREE on prescription".

Also, who said you would get them from a chemist. I'm sure centers could be designated for the control & distribution of FREE drugs, so that the users can be identified and hopefully offered counselling to become drug free.

this was before i realised you had made the ridiculous assumption that society would pay for these drugs on their taxes, or the government would magic up some extra money to fund it..

outrageous suggestion

 

[larus]

this was before i realised you had made the ridiculous assumption that society would pay for these drugs on their taxes, or the government would magic up some extra money to fund it..

outrageous suggestion

My first post said

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If drugs wre legalised, and made freely availablle for addicts, this would eliminate so much crime from the country.

How much crime is realted to drugs? Muggings, burglaries etc.
Gangs?
Knife crime?

If you remove the profit from drugs, why should people try to get kids addicted, etc.
We muct accept that we aren't ever going to stop drugs getting ito the county. If we accept that point as a nation, then surely we must decide the best way to limit the effects on both addicts and innocents.

BTW, I don't take drugs and I never want to, so my view is not 'influenced' by that.

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My point is that if you remove the profit from the dealers, you remove the market for the drugs and therefore, you make drugs less available. For those that do get a habit, then the drugs are supplied by government funded services (where complete anonymity is guaranteed in law), and paid for by the tax-payer.

OK, the tax-payer pays for the drugs, but what is the cost to the country for all of the crime that is drug related?

 

[The Spanish]

Legalising drugs would at least put a stop to scenes like this.

YouTube - jessop jessop jessop

 

[larus]

well, would you want your kids to be brought up in a society where people casually consume hard drugs? alcohol is one thing, a nice quiet pint can be enjoyed, and is a sociable thing. are you suggesting there should be smack dens where like minded people meet up in the high street and get off their nut on heroin?

i do understand your link (i think), but i completely disagree.

are you an anarchist? do you believe that the goodness in the human race would prevail?

if drugs were freely available, they would be EVERYWHERE. same as cigarettes are everywhere in schools, drink is everywhere for kids. instead of sneaking off for a fag instead of PE in year 7, the kids will be sneaking off and smoking a crack blunt and getting their belt around their arm for a quick hit.

Who said about drugs being freely available on street corners, shops? I think they should be free, but controlled.

Am I an anarchist. Far from it. I believe firmly in law and order. I'm right-wing in my views and a natural Conservative voter. However, I'm a realist, and it's no point taking a position which is not achievable. We are never, ever going to eliminate drugs via the criminal justice system and the police. They will freely admit it.

I know people who take drugs, (shit, there are posters on here who talk about it). I don't want to take drugs, I don't want my kids to take drugs, but if I wanted to get hold of drugs I'm sure I could within a day or 2.

 

[barney]

My first post said

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If drugs wre legalised, and made freely availablle for addicts, this would eliminate so much crime from the country.

How much crime is realted to drugs? Muggings, burglaries etc.
Gangs?
Knife crime?

If you remove the profit from drugs, why should people try to get kids addicted, etc.
We muct accept that we aren't ever going to stop drugs getting ito the county. If we accept that point as a nation, then surely we must decide the best way to limit the effects on both addicts and innocents.

BTW, I don't take drugs and I never want to, so my view is not 'influenced' by that.

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My point is that if you remove the profit from the dealers, you remove the market for the drugs and therefore, you make drugs less available. For those that do get a habit, then the drugs are supplied by government funded services (where complete anonymity is guaranteed in law), and paid for by the tax-payer.

OK, the tax-payer pays for the drugs, but what is the cost to the country for all of the crime that is drug related?

so casual drug use would disappear instead of grow hugely? no. in school i dabbled with a bit of cannabis and i assure you, if it was freely available it would have been used more, and so would a lot more kids.

i'm sure a vast majority of people would rather see their taxes pay for a police and ambulance service than see it provide free drugs to anyone who wants to get their grubby little mits on it.

the cost would also still be there as drug use would continue, meaning the tax payer is not only providing it free of charge to the junkie, but it also paying for their damage to society being cleaned up.

 

[larus]

so casual drug use would disappear instead of grow hugely? no. in school i dabbled with a bit of cannabis and i assure you, if it was freely available it would have been used more, and so would a lot more kids.

i'm sure a vast majority of people would rather see their taxes pay for a police and ambulance service than see it provide free drugs to anyone who wants to get their grubby little mits on it.

the cost would also still be there as drug use would continue, meaning the tax payer is not only providing it free of charge to the junkie, but it also paying for their damage to society being cleaned up.

You seem to totally ignore the cost to society from drug culture at the moment.

 

[barney]

Who said about drugs being freely available on street corners, shops? I think they should be free, but controlled.

Am I an anarchist. Far from it. I believe firmly in law and order. I'm right-wing in my views and a natural Conservative voter. However, I'm a realist, and it's no point taking a position which is not achievable. We are never, ever going to eliminate drugs via the criminal justice system and the police. They will freely admit it.

I know people who take drugs, (shit, there are posters on here who talk about it). I don't want to take drugs, I don't want my kids to take drugs, but if I wanted to get hold of drugs I'm sure I could within a day or 2.

contolled by who? paid for by who?

realistic about what? seeing drugs roam the streets willy nilly. of course drugs won't ever be gotten rid of, but neither will violence, or any other crime for that matter.

 

[warsaw]

So Joe Taxpayer is going to pay for them then? That should be popular.

So who pays for the fall-out from drug addiction now?

A number of people on here are worried about an increase in addiction if they are legalised. But isn't part of the attraction of taking drugs precisely that it is illegal and frowned upon (think about why we all started smoking when we were 12).

Of course taking drugs would remain attractive if the cannabis cafe became the supplier, but if instead the addict had to go to a chemist, doctors or other similar pick up point I can't imagine that we would all become new addicts. And of course we would know all the addicts and be able to offer necessary help.

Seems like a no-brainer to me

 

[barney]

You seem to totally ignore the cost to society from drug culture at the moment.

how so?

NHS costs? policing costs? prison costs?

they would still all be there whether drugs are legal or not