West Ham and FA Cup

[Kinky Gerbil]

Does anyone know if the club bothered to ask for any money from the cup game?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Can't see we'd get anything but a large legal bill, although some sort of compensation would be funny from a Sheffield Utd-hating perspective.

 

[Easy 10]

Think I remember reading that MP had made an inquiry about it probably via the FA. But as Pav says, we\'d only end up running up a load of legal costs pursuing it, so not worth bothering with really.

Those lying wankers have got off scott-free with everything else to do with Tevez, no reason to suspect it wouldn\'t continue to go in their favour.

 

[jevs]

Think I remember reading that MP had made an inquiry about it probably via the FA. But as Pav says, we\'d only end up running up a load of legal costs pursuing it, so not worth bothering with really.

Those lying wankers have got off scott-free with everything else to do with Tevez, no reason to suspect it wouldn\'t continue to go in their favour.

 

[El Presidente]

I think the FA will make a decision, and it should not involve m'learned parasites.

Tevez was the best player I saw last season against the Albion by a country mile, if we get a few quid out of it then it's a bonus.

 

[Easy 10]

jevs, you seem inordinately proud of your clubs conduct over this whole affair. Had the Albion managed to cheat relegation through these means, I d be pretty embarrassed by it personally.

Or are you STILL saying there was nothing untoward or illegal about the deal.

 

[The Large One]

He's just gloating over this Premiership attitude of 'I'm alright, Jack - pull away the ladder'.

 

[jevs]

We broke the rules, we got found out, we admitted guilt, we got punished. There was no precident for the punishment as no one has ever broken this rule before. The punishments that were available to the FAPL were
1) points deduction
2) Fine
3) combination of the above.

Every premiership club agrees to these punishments. The FAPL chose to give us a (world record) fine. Tough titty that people didn't like the punishment.

Now pick the f***ing bones out of that one Easy 10.....you bitter and twisted fool.

 

[Beach Hut]

Do you think they might do the ticket distribution more fairly a second time round

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

We broke the rules, we got found out, we admitted guilt, we got punished. There was no precident for the punishment as no one has ever broken this rule before. The punishments that were available to the FAPL were
1) points deduction
2) Fine
3) combination of the above.

Every premiership club agrees to these punishments. The FAPL chose to give us a (world record) fine. Tough titty that people didn't like the punishment.

Now pick the f***ing bones out of that one Easy 10.....you bitter and twisted fool.

I used to have a bit of a soft spot for WHU - whether it was the 66 thing, Bobby Moore etc, the fact they always tried to play good, passing football, I even used to love the proper old Upton Park, so close to the pitch, the locals getting there hours before to get at the front of the North/South Bank etc...

Now, in the greed is good Premiership, all that great history has been undone, they will now be remembered as the club who bought themselves out of trouble, who cheated (yes cheated -jevs even admits as much in his post above) and got away with it.

Now they are the new Chelski - throwing around Egg Head's cash at any player who will take it.

Crig Bellamy is next I hear to grab the cash. They deserve each other.

The next Leeds ? I'm sorry to now say I hope so.

 

[227 BHA]

I used to have a bit of a soft spot for WHU - whether it was the 66 thing, Bobby Moore etc, the fact they always tried to play good, passing football, I even used to love the proper old Upton Park, so close to the pitch, the locals getting there hours before to get at the front of the North/South Bank etc...

Now, in the greed is good Premiership, all that great history has been undone, they will now be remembered as the club who bought themselves out of trouble, who cheated (yes cheated -jevs even admits as much in his post above) and got away with it.

Now they are the new Chelski - throwing around Egg Head's cash at any player who will take it.

Crig Bellamy is next I hear to grab the cash. They deserve each other.

The next Leeds ? I'm sorry to now say I hope so.

I've never had any great feeling for WH but I don't see how you can say they bought their way out of trouble as they didn't choose the punishment. Admitedly, they were lucky to just get a fine but surely that just means the FA were in the wrong so to hold such a grudge against them seems OTT.

Blame those who dished out the punishment if you think it was unfair as WHU are hardly to blame for that

 

[Easy 10]

We broke the rules, we got found out, we admitted guilt, we got punished. There was no precident for the punishment as no one has ever broken this rule before. The punishments that were available to the FAPL were
1) points deduction
2) Fine
3) combination of the above.

Every premiership club agrees to these punishments. The FAPL chose to give us a (world record) fine. Tough titty that people didn\'t like the punishment.

Now pick the f***ing bones out of that one Easy 10.....you bitter and twisted fool.

You say there is no precedent ? How about this.
In March of this year, AFC Wimbledon were found guilty of fielding an ineligable player (Jermaine Darlington) in their FA Trophy tie against Gravesend and Northfleet. Apparently he hadn\'t gained the required International clearance.

They were fined their £7,000 prizemoney, expelled from the competition, and had an 18 POINT DEDUCTION imposed on them, as redress for the fact he\'d also played in 11 League games. The points deduction was eventually reduced to 3 points on appeal (as clearly the original punishment was insanely harsh), but the fact remains that they had points docked for fielding a player who they shouldn\'t have.

Now in light of AFC Wimbledon being expelled from a Cup competion, incurring what is (for them) a hefty fine AND having a points deduction for fielding an ineligable player in 12 games, can you tell me how West Sham can field an ineligable player for an ENTIRE SEASON and not be deducted points ?

Oh...hang on...
West Sham are a big PREMIERSHIP club, wheras AFC Wimbledon are only a two-bit Rymans League outfit. Therefore, punsihments are doled out accordingly, such has always been the case. Glad to see you keenly EMBRACE that sense of fair play jevs, but then being as its contrived to buy your grubby lot another season in the top flight, I guess we shouldn\'t expect anything less than your preening celebration of everything that stinks in the game. As long as YOUR lot are alright eh.

Bitter and twisted ? Damn right I am. A fool ? Only if I believed the bullshit being spouted by the likes of you and Magnusson over this whole thing.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

You say there is no precedent ? How about this.
In March of this year, AFC Wimbledon were found guilty of fielding an ineligable player (Jermaine Darlington) in their FA Trophy tie against Gravesend and Northfleet. Apparently he hadn\'t gained the required International clearance.

They were fined their £7,000 prizemoney, expelled from the competition, and had an 18 POINT DEDUCTION imposed on them, as redress for the fact he\'d also played in 11 League games. The points deduction was eventually reduced to 3 points on appeal (as clearly the original punishment was insanely harsh), but the fact remains that they had points docked for fielding a player who they shouldn\'t have.

Now in light of AFC Wimbledon being expelled from a Cup competion, incurring what is (for them) a hefty fine AND having a points deduction for fielding an ineligable player in 12 games, can you tell me how West Sham can field an ineligable player for an ENTIRE SEASON and not be deducted points ?

Oh...hang on...
West Sham are a big PREMIERSHIP club, wheras AFC Wimbledon are only a two-bit Rymans League outfit. Therefore, punsihments are doled out accordingly, such has always been the case. Glad to see you keenly EMBRACE that sense of fair play jevs, but then being as its contrived to buy your grubby lot another season in the top flight, I guess we shouldn\'t expect anything less than your preening celebration of everything that stinks in the game. As long as YOUR lot are alright eh.

Bitter and twisted ? Damn right I am. A fool ? Only if I believed the bullshit being spouted by the likes of you and Magnusson over this whole thing.

Different govening body isnt it?

Also do you think AFC would have liked a 5.5 million fine!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I've never had any great feeling for WH but I don't see how you can say they bought their way out of trouble as they didn't choose the punishment. Admitedly, they were lucky to just get a fine but surely that just means the FA were in the wrong so to hold such a grudge against them seems OTT.

Blame those who dished out the punishment if you think it was unfair as WHU are hardly to blame for that

Word.

I hate West Ham more than any club, but im not sure its the clubs fault they got the fine.

 

[Easy 10]

Different govening body isnt it?

Also do you think AFC would have liked a 5.5 million fine!

Different governing body, but the same principle surely.

And if you want something a little closer to home - how about Middlesbrough being deducted 3 points for failing to turn up at Blackburn when their squad was decimated by a virus ? That only affected one fixture that season, and did seem to have some genuinely mitigating circumstances, but they ended up relegated thanks to that points deduction.

West Sham have cheated 38 times (or however many games Tevez featured in), stayed up thanks to playing a ringer all season, yet they get fined the cost of an Emile Heskey for it.

Go figure.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Different governing body, but the same principle surely.

And if you want something a little closer to home - how about Middlesbrough being deducted 3 points for failing to turn up at Blackburn when their squad was decimated by a virus ? That only affected one fixture that season, and did seem to have some genuinely mitigating circumstances, but they ended up relegated thanks to that points deduction.

West Sham have cheated 38 times (or however many games Tevez featured in), stayed up thanks to playing a ringer all season, yet they get fined the cost of an Emile Heskey for it.

Go figure.

I agree with you, However sadly you cant blame West Ham for dealing them the fine.

It is the same principle, however the rymans board has sense and the Premier league doesnt.

In my view as well its FIFA's fault as well as they have not stepped in when they could and should do, they have the power to send teams down.

 

[Easy 10]

I agree with you, However sadly you cant blame West Ham for dealing them the fine.

It is the same principle, however the rymans board has sense and the Premier league doesnt.

In my view as well its FIFA\'s fault as well as they have not stepped in when they could and should do, they have the power to send teams down.

I can blame West Sham for cheating and lying though. And if there;s one thing I truley despise, its seeing cheats prosper. Now every match I see next season featuring West Sham, I;ll have in my mind that they should really be visiting Scunny and Hull, rather than Liverpool and Man U.

The £5.5m was such a ridiculously inadequate \"punishment\" given what they did, that it leads me to believe that somewhere along the line, some palms have been greased. They MUST have been. Any other reason is just inexplicable.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I can blame West Sham for cheating and lying though. And if there;s one thing I truley despise, its seeing cheats prosper. Now every match I see next season featuring West Sham, I;ll have in my mind that they should really be visiting Scunny and Hull, rather than Liverpool and Man U.

The £5.5m was such a ridiculously inadequate \"punishment\" given what they did, that it leads me to believe that somewhere along the line, some palms have been greased. They MUST have been. Any other reason is just inexplicable.

Again I agree. I do think the reason that West Ham will not sell Tevez and rather see him go on a free in a couple of years is that if he does sign for utd they will have to give the third party money and then it will be bye bye West Ham and the Premiership will be sued by pretty much everyone for more than the latest TV deal.

 

[Easy 10]

Well the 2 year loan deal is CLEARLY to avoid a transfer fee money-trail leading straight back to the 3rd parties that have owned him all along. Which completely contradicts what Magnusson was saying 2 months ago about Tevez being a West Sham player. He never was.

 

[jevs]

You say there is no precedent ? How about this.
In March of this year, AFC Wimbledon were found guilty of fielding an ineligable player (Jermaine Darlington) in their FA Trophy tie against Gravesend and Northfleet. Apparently he hadn\'t gained the required International clearance.

They were fined their £7,000 prizemoney, expelled from the competition, and had an 18 POINT DEDUCTION imposed on them, as redress for the fact he\'d also played in 11 League games. The points deduction was eventually reduced to 3 points on appeal (as clearly the original punishment was insanely harsh), but the fact remains that they had points docked for fielding a player who they shouldn\'t have.

Now in light of AFC Wimbledon being expelled from a Cup competion, incurring what is (for them) a hefty fine AND having a points deduction for fielding an ineligable player in 12 games, can you tell me how West Sham can field an ineligable player for an ENTIRE SEASON and not be deducted points ?

Oh...hang on...
West Sham are a big PREMIERSHIP club, wheras AFC Wimbledon are only a two-bit Rymans League outfit. Therefore, punsihments are doled out accordingly, such has always been the case. Glad to see you keenly EMBRACE that sense of fair play jevs, but then being as its contrived to buy your grubby lot another season in the top flight, I guess we shouldn\'t expect anything less than your preening celebration of everything that stinks in the game. As long as YOUR lot are alright eh.

Bitter and twisted ? Damn right I am. A fool ? Only if I believed the bullshit being spouted by the likes of you and Magnusson over this whole thing.

We're going round in circles here. WE DID NOT FIELD AN INELIGABLE PLAYER

The offence that Wimbledon committed was different to the offence we committed (we pleaded guilty to and got punished for remember). Infact, we did actually break this rule a few years ago when Harry Redknapp fielded Mani Ominymini (sp ) in a Cola cola semi-final game against Villa which we won. We agreed to replay the game and lost....ho-hum.

Are you this bitter and twisted when a Brighton player throws himself down in the box to try to con the officials into giving you a penalty when it was clearly a dive ??

I used to have a bit of a soft spot for WHU - whether it was the 66 thing, Bobby Moore etc, the fact they always tried to play good, passing football, I even used to love the proper old Upton Park, so close to the pitch, the locals getting there hours before to get at the front of the North/South Bank etc...

Now, in the greed is good Premiership, all that great history has been undone, they will now be remembered as the club who bought themselves out of trouble, who cheated (yes cheated -jevs even admits as much in his post above) and got away with it.

Now they are the new Chelski - throwing around Egg Head's cash at any player who will take it.

Crig Bellamy is next I hear to grab the cash. They deserve each other.

The next Leeds ? I'm sorry to now say I hope so.

West ham have always been a club of great tradition.....we did win the world cup don't forget but you either swim with the competition or sink with likes of Leeds.

You can't blame the clubs for spending loads of money. The premiership is the richest league in the world and sky is throwing money at it like there's no tomorrow. So who is to blame....sky ?, the punters who subscribe to sky ?, the people who are prepared to pay extortionate admission prices at the gate ?

We're not exactly throwing the cash about are we.....£7m for Parker, £6m for Faubert, £7.5m for Bellamy.....= £20.5m. Take off Niger Reo-Cokers £8.5m and Tyrone Mears £1, transfers out of WHU and we have spent £11m !!!!!