[Technology] Apple ID Stupidity

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Guinness Boy

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Am beginning to see why there are so many moans about needing a smartphone for everything on here.

We’ve just moved my elderly, slightly mad step mother back here from France after my dad passed away. Setting up the new flat has been a nightmare. She can’t do anything with tech and you need apps for everything now.

Long story short, the flat has no broadband so we phoned to get it connected. Because there’s an internal warning system in the flats the wired needs special permission but EE sent a 4g box to tide her over and also sold her an eSIM deal to make calls.

When the 4g turned up it became clear the Bluetooth and wireless on her phone were broken. She’d also left passwords all over her notes and not enabled Face ID so I got the phone restored to factory settings, getting her (I thought) to note a hint for the password.

Phone fixed easily and quickly, I returned yesterday afternoon to help her set it up. It connected in. That’s when we realised she had no idea what the password was and that her safe phone number was redundant.

No problem I thought, surely we can do MFA through her email instead. We passed that. Then it asked for an alternative number, and I used mine. We passed that too.

She’s just had an email to say her password can be reset in 2 weeks time by a message to my number.

So 2 weeks without a phone as she can’t download the eSIM without a working AppleID.

No problem you might think? No. She can’t authenticate banking transactions without her app. She can’t put her new card on her shopping delivery either. And I will have to traipse over there on the appointed day to help her get a sodding AppleID, work or no work.

She’s a vulnerable, housebound, easily confused old woman who now thinks she can’t shop because she hasn’t got a phone.

We’ve made life harder, not easier.
 




timbha

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Jul 5, 2003
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Am beginning to see why there are so many moans about needing a smartphone for everything on here.

We’ve just moved my elderly, slightly mad step mother back here from France after my dad passed away. Setting up the new flat has been a nightmare. She can’t do anything with tech and you need apps for everything now.

Long story short, the flat has no broadband so we phoned to get it connected. Because there’s an internal warning system in the flats the wired needs special permission but EE sent a 4g box to tide her over and also sold her an eSIM deal to make calls.

When the 4g turned up it became clear the Bluetooth and wireless on her phone were broken. She’d also left passwords all over her notes and not enabled Face ID so I got the phone restored to factory settings, getting her (I thought) to note a hint for the password.

Phone fixed easily and quickly, I returned yesterday afternoon to help her set it up. It connected in. That’s when we realised she had no idea what the password was and that her safe phone number was redundant.

No problem I thought, surely we can do MFA through her email instead. We passed that. Then it asked for an alternative number, and I used mine. We passed that too.

She’s just had an email to say her password can be reset in 2 weeks time by a message to my number.

So 2 weeks without a phone as she can’t download the eSIM without a working AppleID.

No problem you might think? No. She can’t authenticate banking transactions without her app. She can’t put her new card on her shopping delivery either. And I will have to traipse over there on the appointed day to help her get a sodding AppleID, work or no work.

She’s a vulnerable, housebound, easily confused old woman who now thinks she can’t shop because she hasn’t got a phone.

We’ve made life harder, not easier.
Very sadly these organisations and developers only invest in customers of the future. Older people aren’t wanted as customers (only their wealth) and are an afterthought. I hope you get things sorted.
 










Sussexscots

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Hope you get things sorted. It can be hideously frustrating.
 

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Green Cross Code Man

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Mar 30, 2006
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This rings true. I am just the right side of sixty and have elderly parents. They would be completely lost without me sorting them out. Almost everything, every utility, insurance and service is either exclusively online or prohibitively difficult the conventional way. It sucks.
 


Eeyore

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Am beginning to see why there are so many moans about needing a smartphone for everything on here.

We’ve just moved my elderly, slightly mad step mother back here from France after my dad passed away. Setting up the new flat has been a nightmare. She can’t do anything with tech and you need apps for everything now.

Long story short, the flat has no broadband so we phoned to get it connected. Because there’s an internal warning system in the flats the wired needs special permission but EE sent a 4g box to tide her over and also sold her an eSIM deal to make calls.

When the 4g turned up it became clear the Bluetooth and wireless on her phone were broken. She’d also left passwords all over her notes and not enabled Face ID so I got the phone restored to factory settings, getting her (I thought) to note a hint for the password.

Phone fixed easily and quickly, I returned yesterday afternoon to help her set it up. It connected in. That’s when we realised she had no idea what the password was and that her safe phone number was redundant.

No problem I thought, surely we can do MFA through her email instead. We passed that. Then it asked for an alternative number, and I used mine. We passed that too.

She’s just had an email to say her password can be reset in 2 weeks time by a message to my number.

So 2 weeks without a phone as she can’t download the eSIM without a working AppleID.

No problem you might think? No. She can’t authenticate banking transactions without her app. She can’t put her new card on her shopping delivery either. And I will have to traipse over there on the appointed day to help her get a sodding AppleID, work or no work.

She’s a vulnerable, housebound, easily confused old woman who now thinks she can’t shop because she hasn’t got a phone.

We’ve made life harder, not easier.
I wonder that with all this hassle it may be better to a buy a Samsung smartphone or such thing and start again. A nuclear option.
 






Guinness Boy

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Can you try the Apple Store in Churchill Square to set it up more quickly?
I wouldn’t think so. She’s housebound so I’d have to go. That’s going to fail first level security and I don’t really want to know the password.
 


PeterOut

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Aug 16, 2016
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Just dealt with a similar(ish) issue today.

Short version - M-I-L has dementia, and is now in a care home. We arranged for all her post to be re-directed from her former home to us. Suddenly a letter arrives from a debt recovery agency - she owes just over £20 for her mobile phone bill. She has given authority to a local solictor to handle her financial affairs - it seems that he closed her mobile account, but did not pay off the final payment.

So - step one - contact the debt recovery firm, explain the circumstances, offer to pay the outstanding amount. To their great credit and our surprise, they said no - in the circumstances, they would not proceed with the debt recovery, and would pass the issue back to O2 with a suggestion to write it off.

Step two - contact O2, just to explain the issue, again offered to pay off the existing amount. After 45 very frustrating minutes to a call centre, explaining that we could not give the account number, we simply want to pay off the outstanding debt, we eventually realised that there is a system for dealing with dementia / hospitalised / unwell customers, and asked to be put through to the 'access for you' team.
After another 45 min, we eventually got O2 to realise that the failure to pay off the amount was inadvertent, and no the debt had not been ignored - but every communication was previously via email. As M-I-L was in hospital, and then in a care home, without access to email (and in no fit state to use it if she had access), the bill was considered to be unpaid by O2, and passed to debt collection.
To be fair, after almost 2 hours, the penny dropped for them and, despite our offers, the amount was written off.

I fully sympathise with your situation, and it is a reminder that tech companies in particular, but many others also, have reduced their costs by going almost eclusively online and reducing customer support functions. How those without online knowledge and availability survive, I do not know, and guess the situation will only get worse.

TLDR? Yep, it's a pain in the ass.
 




Zeberdi

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I wouldn’t think so. She’s housebound so I’d have to go. That’s going to fail first level security and I don’t really want to know the password.
If you have an iphone/ipad, you can book a call back appointment from an actual Apple customer service agent while you are with her if that’s any help. They should be able to prioritise her.

Sorry - posting a load of images but easiest way to explain

Go to the Apple Support Icon on your device then click on “SUPPORT” and choose which device you want help with (it doesn’t matter if you are doing it from your phone or ipad, it’s just to get a call back from a real person. (if you don’t have the Apple Support app, you can download it from the App store)


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beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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government digital ID coming down the road, that'll fix it. :moo:
 


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