[Albion] Charlie Tasker

[Stato]

Fabian has said he already has the physicality of the PL and understands the ‘process’ so I can’t see why he can’t continue playing in our U21s and PL2 whilst seeing if he can integrate with the first team more permanently next season?

Surely that’s a lot closer to our PL1 in terms of our DNA than a League 1 (which he’s obviously too good for) or the CL and gives him the opportunity to play off the bench with the first team/cup games.

I think we all have a tendency to underestimate the standard of League One. Taking the EFL Trophy as an indicator, since 2016/17 when the EPL Team Academies began entering the competition, none has made the final, one has made the semi finals and four others have made the quarter finals.

I'd agree that ensuring loanees are sent to clubs who will be sympathetic with our approach to football and development is important, but the step up from academy football to playing regularly in the EFL/EPL is a massive one. Those capable of making the direct step to the EPL are very rare. Some young players very much benefit from a full season in a squad playing competitive football and from the growth that can come away from the top of the range facilities available to EPL academy graduates.

 

[Albion my Albion]

And he did ok. Will be interesting to see what the club have planned for Harry next season

Is the Prince coming to Brighton to cheer against his brother's Aston Villa and say "American Express, don't come back to your Pa's country without it."

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I think we all have a tendency to underestimate the standard of League One. Taking the EFL Trophy as an indicator, since 2016/17 when the EPL Team Academies began entering the competition, none has made the final, one has made the semi finals and four others have made the quarter finals.

Great point this.

Nothing wrong with going down the leagues to learn your trade and toughen up a bit.

As a support base, most of us will have seen us play as a league 1 club, some of the time we we rubbish in that league, but plenty of it we were very good. Easily good enough to give any 19 year old full back a stern test

 

[Guinness Boy]

I think League One is too low a level for a player that's been in an around the first team squad at 19. Were he a bit younger, maybe, but I would be expecting him to go to the Championship or Europe, minimum.

Whatever happens, we need to get out of the routine of playing midfielders at right back. Hinsh and Weiffer have done remarkably well out of position, but Tasker actually is a right back. We're losing Lamptey probably and Veltman isn't getting any younger, so if we don't manage to get anyone in for that position this summer, we could see Tasker in and around the first team more often than not in 2025-26.

Either way, delighted for him. It's great news for the lad

Started out at CB but was moved to RB because of a habit of going forward and beating all the players he was miles better than.

Has been RB for a good long while now but the physicality that FH talks about allowed him to hold his own in the middle too.

Fantastic prospect and personally hope he'll be a first team squad regular next season, maybe leading to starts later in the season. Although some of that depends on Ferdie recovering properly and what we do with him if he has. Lamptey off I reckon.

 

[Ali_rrr]

League One loan the most likely outcome for me, though would be interesting to see him test himself abroad too.

The likes of Peupion and Baker Boaitey have had PL minutes for us but couldn't hold down a place in the lower leagues, so it's not always the biggest indicator. The most important thing at this stage is that he gets regular minutes in men's football.

If he's doing fantastically by January, we can look for a Championship team for him, as we did with Beadle in the past.

I'm still sure that was De Zerbi crying out for more players and then throwing his toys out the pram. Peupion has not pulled up any strings in the Dutch second division.

 

[JBizzle]

I think we all have a tendency to underestimate the standard of League One. Taking the EFL Trophy as an indicator, since 2016/17 when the EPL Team Academies began entering the competition, none has made the final, one has made the semi finals and four others have made the quarter finals.

To me, it isn't about the standard of League One, more where the player is in their development. There's huge value in young players going to League One and Two, as we've seen with multiple of our players, but the club generally sees people move in progressive steps up the leagues. If they start lower down the pyramid.

If the club thinks that Tasker could be competing in the PL this season or next, then I think going to a good Championship club makes sense, but if we're thinking a year or two down the line, then League One would make sense for game time.

Let's not pretend that the jump from League One to the Premier League isn't MASSIVE though in terms of quality, speed, technical skill etc. Part of the reason those young teams in the EPL Trophy haven't progressed is as much down to the quality of the opposition as it is the fact they're kids who also aren't PL standard yet.

 

[Don Tmatter]

Hopefully he’ll get a chance in the pre season friendlies to see how far off he is

 

[GT49er]

No thread for Charlie (i think) so to mark signing of a new contract then here it is for the 19 year old full back who was on the bench a few times last season, trained with the first team squad and has been with the Academy since he was 8. He went to school in Portslade .

Fab says
“He has the physical basics to play in the Premier League. He has the mindset to play in the Premier League." (but guessing he'll be a loanee next season)

https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/pages/en/media-article/charlie-tasker-signs-new-contract

Interesting. Haven't seen those FH quotes (they're not included in your link) but from those it looks as if he might have moved ahead of Odel Offiah, who has just returned from a terrific season in League 1. Guess we'll now be trying to find a permanent new home for the latter.

 

[Gabbiano]

Interesting. Haven't seen those FH quotes (they're not included in your link) but from those it looks as if he might have moved ahead of Odel Offiah, who has just returned from a terrific season in League 1. Guess we'll now be trying to find a permanent new home for the latter.

Odel couldn't really have done much more, he had a great loan spell. But he's now 22 or 23? Tasker has time on his side.

 

[Silverhatch]

To me, it isn't about the standard of League One, more where the player is in their development. There's huge value in young players going to League One and Two, as we've seen with multiple of our players, but the club generally sees people move in progressive steps up the leagues. If they start lower down the pyramid.

If the club thinks that Tasker could be competing in the PL this season or next, then I think going to a good Championship club makes sense, but if we're thinking a year or two down the line, then League One would make sense for game time.

Let's not pretend that the jump from League One to the Premier League isn't MASSIVE though in terms of quality, speed, technical skill etc. Part of the reason those young teams in the EPL Trophy haven't progressed is as much down to the quality of the opposition as it is the fact they're kids who also aren't PL standard yet.

There’s no value going to a lower level if the club believe they can be part of the first team squad (see Hinsh) and you’ve spent your entire football education - from age 7 - being ‘prepared’ to play for Brighton.

 

[Zeberdi]

I think we all have a tendency to underestimate the standard of League One. Taking the EFL Trophy as an indicator, since 2016/17 when the EPL Team Academies began entering the competition, none has made the final, one has made the semi finals and four others have made the quarter finals.

I'd agree that ensuring loanees are sent to clubs who will be sympathetic with our approach to football and development is important, but the step up from academy football to playing regularly in the EFL/EPL is a massive one. Those capable of making the direct step to the EPL are very rare. Some young players very much benefit from a full season in a squad playing competitive football and from the growth that can come away from the top of the range facilities available to EPL academy graduates.

It’s not about underestimating League 1 - my post was about those under estimating Tasker who as I said quoting FH (that you didn’t quote from my earlier post ) already has the physical ability to play in the PL understands the DNA and with the aggressive tendencies that FH relishes. That’s more than the majority of 19 year olds we have signed straight into the first team!

He doesn’t have to start every match but I think he could definitely feature as part of the first team next season.

Otherwise agree with your general view about the development pathway for most academy players.

 

[GT49er]

Odel couldn't really have done much more, he had a great loan spell. But he's now 22 or 23? Tasker has time on his side.

True. The problem he had at Hearts hasn't helped him either - he basically lost a year with that.

 

[el punal]

Isn’t it great to see our academy players progressing so well. With Jack Hinshelwood firmly established in the first team we now have Charlie Tasker and Harry Howell on the cusp of breaking through along with Freddie Simmonds. The future definitely looks bright.

 

[amexer]

Is Offiah now a possibility after a season of Div1 football

 

[Washie]

I'd say send him to a bottom half Championship club. If he's good enough to play and help against relegation and be extremely busy, brilliant. If not, he learns what it like to be on the bench or not play and learn how to improve to get onto the pitch. Game time is not the only thing loans help with.

 

[GT49er]

Is Offiah now a possibility after a season of Div1 football.

I'd've thought a Championship loan would be the next stage, but he may be running out of time and/or contract to continue on that loan advancement pathway with us. As I said earlier, it looks as if Tasker has edged ahead of him (as well as being several years younger). Might be a different story if the plan is for Tasker to go out on loan.

 

[AZ Gull]

Annoyingly for those who like to track these things the article (hi @AZ Gull ) doesn't actually say how long the new contract is for. Unless someone has spotted that info somewhere else.

No, I haven't seen any indication of the contract length.

 

[Wardy's twin]

There’s no value going to a lower level if the club believe they can be part of the first team squad (see Hinsh) and you’ve spent your entire football education - from age 7 - being ‘prepared’ to play for Brighton.

Agreed some loans destroy young players

 

[GT49er]

There’s no value going to a lower level if the club believe they can be part of the first team squad (see Hinsh) and you’ve spent your entire football education - from age 7 - being ‘prepared’ to play for Brighton.

It depends entirely on the player. Hinsh has graduated from PL2 to our first team without going on loan (as did Dunk apart from a short spell at Bognor and 2 games for Bristol City, and Solly March). On the other hand, working up through the divisions from League 2 was the perfect pathway for Ben White, and, for instance, our young GKs, from Sanchez a few years back to Rushworth and Beadle now. Did Gyokeres no harm either!

It really is down to the needs of the individual.

 

[Stato]

It depends entirely on the player. Hinsh has graduated from PL2 to our first team without going on loan (as did Dunk apart from a short spell at Bognor and 2 games for Bristol City, and Solly March). On the other hand, working up through the divisions from League 2 was the perfect pathway for Ben White, and, for instance, our young GKs, from Sanchez a few years back to Rushworth and Beadle now. Did Gyokeres no harm either!

It really is down to the needs of the individual.

Your last line is key. Horses for courses and in Tasker's case I'm sure he, his family and the club will be in discussion about what's best for his development.