[Albion] Will defence be the key next season?

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Kalimantan Gull

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So far this season, our defensive partnerships have been:

Dunk & JP
JP & Igor
JP & Webster
Webster & Igor
Baleba & Dunk
JP & Cashin

So I suspect our biggest issue is consistently having a settled partnership, and that's not including the madness at full back
Missed off Dunk & Igor, one of our best defensive displays of the season away at Newcastle
 


I don’t think this is a mystery, our depth at full back is poor and has been neglected by the recruiters. Other defenders have aged before our eyes. The style of football moving to less possession based has also put extra stress on our defensive game. Fab needs better players in these areas to suit his preferred style of play. If he gets them, I would hope that we will see far less of the ugly patches of form that have weighed down our season
 


Sid and the Sharknados

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Posted this before I knew about Boscagli.

Can we also have a 30 goal a season proven striker please (well it's worth a try).
I gather Bloom's invested £100million in a time machine and some genetic engineering, and we've bred an unholy combination of Harry Kane, Michael Owen and Alan Shearer to play up front for us next season.

Fortunately this counts as infrastructure spending for PSR purposes, so nothing to worry about on that score.
 


Napper

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I think estupinan has served us very well but now needs to be upgraded

We’ve spent a bit of the season with midfielders as cb and right back and for most of the season we’ve always looked shakey at the back

Summer surgery should be all on the defence imo . Another cb in addition to boscagli , new lb and new rb

Keeping Mitoma and baleba also key especially with pedro likely to go
 




Zeberdi

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Thanks. That’s what I was getting at. Do the stats show the tide turning on football styles or has this just been a poor division attacking wise?
IMO, yes.

I’ve been saying for a long while that I think emphasis on the possession based football in the modern game is shifting - I think more and more teams are moving towards a style typified by mid/low blocks out of possession and fast/direct counter-attacking (and one of the reasons why I thought FH could improve our defensive performance) whilst creating more intensity at the other end of the pitch.

https://www.northstandchat.com/threads/fabian-huerzeler-singed-15-06-2024.408345/post-11495688

I also think it is one of the reasons that the Liverpool match was so exciting - Slot and FH both seem to be developing very similar styles where keeping players back behind the ball and using numerical superiority in both defence and attack, is more important than 85% possession - both teams shared 50% of the possession on Monday and it made for exciting football. Both FH and Slot and rely on wing play to break down the opponent’s defences and faster, more direct progression.


If our defensive stats have not been good this season, IMO it’s because of injury and constant rotation - I think Monday night’s football gave us a taste of the sort of football we’ll be playing next season if we maybe can sign a couple more defenders in the summer - that said, Wieffer has been impressive at RB and Kadioglu and Igor will be back to fitness.
 




Kalimantan Gull

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That really was.
Got everything spot on tactically.
Shape was perfect, we can do it…..
Oh no doubt we can do the low block thing when needed. I don't want that all season though, low block teams rarely finish top half. But what we need to sort out is how to defend a break against us when committing men forward.

Tbh I think it just comes down to fewer loose mistakes in possession. Their best chances came in those events, for example when Gruda lost control on a break of our own, which led to Salah's shocking miss. Thats when we find ourselves out of shape.

The RDZ 22-23 team looked after the ball so well - Caicedo, MacAllister, Gross, Lallana, March
 




Iggle Piggle

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We are far too easy to play against. How many chances have you seen opposition teams have this season with one or two simple passes that has someone rushing in in goal? Brentford being exhibit A. A problem exacerbated when Baleba isn't about. (Bournemouth are as bad, which is why our games against them were so good)

If we were as good off the ball as say Arsenal are we would be nailed on for a Champions League spot.
 
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One Teddy Maybank

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Oh no doubt we can do the low block thing when needed. I don't want that all season though, low block teams rarely finish top half. But what we need to sort out is how to defend a break against us when committing men forward.

Tbh I think it just comes down to fewer loose mistakes in possession. Their best chances came in those events, for example when Gruda lost control on a break of our own, which led to Salah's shocking miss. Thats when we find ourselves out of shape.

The RDZ 22-23 team looked after the ball so well - Caicedo, MacAllister, Gross, Lallana, March
Yes, but you have to be able to react in transition, from memory our FBs were too high (again), which left us exposed. Pervis did well to get back and give him a gentle nudge.

Re your top para think we’ve just said the same thing!
 
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BLOCK F

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I'll be disappointed if we don't sign one good quality 24-28 year old centre half to play alongside Van Hecke.

Plus a full back on either side. The amount of changes we have had to make defensively is mad and have cost us a lot. it was also glaringly obvious at the start of the season that we could be exposed here. I wouldn't get rid of Dunk but I'd like to see him be a very good third centre half option.
So Webbo down to 4th choice?
 






el punal

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Hurzeler just doesn’t seem to obsess over defence. High risk, we’ll outscore you, happy for everyone pushed up in a high line. Klopp/Slot very similar. When in possession.

Personally, I’m not keen with Albion players, a raft of coaches such as Moyes, Emery, Silva and Glasner who feel all their Xmas’s have come at once. I wish we were more circumspect. For example when Palarse visited Cantor/Aspinall commented on repeat that it could be any score to them first half. So naive.

If FH won’t budge, I feel we need DM/defenders with searing pace & great defensive games to reduce the cascade of GA.
You do realise that this season we will have lost the least number of games since being in the Premier League? As it stands, just 9 defeats with one game to go. That stat alone blows your ’theory’ out of the water. It is true that on occasions we have looked flaky at the back when conceding late on from winning positions - Wolves (H) and Leicester (A) spring to mind. Counter that with the number of late goals (last 10 minutes) we’ve scored to win games - Man Utd, Liverpool, Fulham, West Ham as examples.
 










severnside gull

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We play adventurous possession football that’s good to watch…….but high risk.
We could play without the ball, defend deep and hit on the break……..but it would be dull and boring for the most part and horrid to watch.
Notably our possession percentage stats seem to have dropped off as the season has progressed……towards “a middle way”?
Personally I would rather watch good football than defensive shite.
 








One Teddy Maybank

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We play adventurous possession football that’s good to watch…….but high risk.
We could play without the ball, defend deep and hit on the break……..but it would be dull and boring for the most part and horrid to watch.
Notably our possession percentage stats seem to have dropped off as the season has progressed……towards “a middle way”?
Personally I would rather watch good football than defensive shite.
I just want to win, whilst attacking football is enjoyable, results justify the means for me.

I’d rather win 1-0, than lose 4-3.
 


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